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You might pick up a less expensive, lighter rifle to practise with as well the sendero,, that way you can mix up the rifles and won't wear out the barrel on the big gun too quick. remember though, a barrel has a finite lifespan, so do not worry too much when you have to replace4 it. It's part of the cost of high powder capacity, fast bullet driven barrels! Cat |
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Practice builds skill and with the practice comes the realization of what the individuals limits are. A Sendero in 7 Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag would do the job very well and you would have better barrel life, less recoil to contend with and far more options in ammo, which is an important part of the equation. Crap ammo will not make even the best rifle accurate. Remington ammo in my experience is not the best, nor is their brass when compared to some other brands available, so researching what ammo and reloading components are available in high quality may be something to consider. |
I was in no way implying that long range hunting is unethical, I can tell that lots of you guys know your stuff when it comes to long range shooting and are responsible hunters. I just figured that with all the answeres on how, I'd ask why. Even at 100 yards a moose seems pretty unsure of what you are untill he can smell you, I have a hard time seeing a hunter spooking a moose a kilometer away.
With deer on the other hand I can understand the long shots, they can be pretty darn tough to stalk. But I dont think I could head out after deer or antelope with a 7mm rum without feelling a little foolish. Maby you would need such a long range cannon for elk? |
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I prefer to shoot what I consider small game like antelope with my 338, as seldom do the bullets expand much, they do pass through however so 1 must take care that there are not other animals standing behind, or you coould easily get more critters that you have tags for. A 1/2 entry and 3/4 exit is normal on antelope with the 338s, I have seen some shot with 243 cal bullets in the 85 gr area that looked like a grenade went off near the goat. Velocity changes things as well, a 7 RUM or STW with a light bullet would be very devastating on an antelope, partly on account of the thinner jackets that the 7mm bullets use, and partly becuse of the higher velocities. |
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im an avid hunter, and a decent shooter, been hunting with
a 300 win mag and 338win mag for years very decent dependable cartridges not that pricey easily availiable, I wouldnt turn down a 500 yard shot with either, knowing your rifle as prev mentioned a few times is KEY ive never fired a 270wsm, been behind glass on many 270's love them im a big ruger fan love the feel, reccomend one to anyone my 300 is an old savage shes seen her fair share too, kinda feels long unless supported, couple of questions with a few replies tho? 1. ab tactical at 1127 yards on a moose what position where you ie prone, sitting? 2. cal have you ever hunted for sheep, or antelope these critters are pretty hard to get close too, i dont creep very good so sometimes a long shot is the only shot |
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I hunt with my 30-378 Weatherby mag and can get out to 800 Yards. BUT that is in a Prone position and the rifle supported either with my pack or bipod. And i agree with the heavier bullets doing less damage, there going to fast to expand..as long as your comfortable with what you have..practise makes perfect. Know your rifle and its limits
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Thanks to all for the answers to my questions. You have been more than helpful. It saves alot of trial and error. From what i've learnt from all of you, I think i'm going to go with a Remington 700 sps and get the action trued, new stock and premium barrel or go with the sendero in 300 win mag. What do you guys think the 700 sps set-up would cost me. i'm trying to alot myself around $3500 for the rifle/scope combo.
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For either sheep or antelope you can knock them down at a fair rainge with a 25-06 or 270 win, no way would I ever go after a 100 lb antelope pretending that a 300 wm was neccessary. Not saying I wouldnt use one but that would be about the very biggest calliber I would use and I would readily admit to it being an overkill. I thought the point of the large calliber was to dump more energy, to me very small exit wounds means not much energy was shed in the animal. If big guns with a big bang, and big recoil make you feel like a man, you like the bragging rights in camp etc, thats great. But lets call it what it is.
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he brought it over from Africa quite a few years ago, and has killed thousands of critters with it. When I first asked him why, he stated simply " because Ii don't need to own two big game rifles" Seems okay to me. Cat |
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Is a 300 or bigger "necessary" for antelope, ofcourse not. HOWEVER you will find that the bigger calibers that have heavy jackets will do less damage than the smaller calibers do. Certainly most of the energy is lost as the bullet passes through the animal, which in my mind is the whole point. I hunt antelope because with a heavier than required caliber because I want to preserve as much of the meat as possible. It has nothing to do with compensating for anything, just an understanding of basic physics and anatomy. |
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Bullet selection in 7mm is excellent and getting better in Alberta as there are more and more shops carrying Berger bullets as well as other excellent bullets. Out to the 500yd range any of the std or short mags would do nicely. Now the RUMs will be plenty of power but lots of recoil so the brake is a good idea but look into some good hearing protection. In the field the "walkers" might be a good idea to make sure you don't damage your hearing excessive. Doubling up on the hearing protection might be a good idea as well. As for custom rifles best to get some quotes to get an idea how far your money will or will not go. Once you start hitting @ 500 yards you will want to go farther... |
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wth careful precise hand loading it should give you 1inch groups at 300 yards out of the box |
Rope the wind how's the kick on your rifle? I'd like to get the .300, but really leary about the recoil.
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Hey newdrenalin, i have a 300rum and live in g.p. if you would like to try it out i would be happy to give you a go with her to see if the recoil is exceptable for you, p.m. me if you are interested
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Newdrenalin the 7mm um and 300um would be a fantastic place to start. Very similar guns... pick what you like out of those cuz balistics and power are only 1% different.
just to throw my two cents in there i have a savage 111 FXCP in 7mm RM and love it. Just started handloading and getting some very nice groups(1 inch at 200 yards) with bergeers hunting VLD's and 4 inch groups at 400 meters with cheaper more readily available hornady's btu im sure the gun shoots better than i do. If you upgraded to the Accustock and/or accutrigger im sure you could get half moa groups out fo the box. Not a question in my mind. I have been extremely impressed... |
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