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Warranty was like a 7 month turnaround! Yes they sent me a brand new one but it was promptly sold and replaced with a meopta that has been perfect so far. |
Well I got on the range. Different scope same result, 5 inch group at 50 yds. I have 4 days till I can get on the range again. So I did a course of Eliminator Bore cleaner and brushing ran some patches thru to dry and then Filled barrel with Wipeout. I will repeat over the next 4 days and then go from there.
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My father in law had a rifle he said shot 1moa or better then one day it wouldn't shoot under 12". I troubleshooted it and eventually found a bulge in barell 1" from crown. Got it chopped off and it shoots good now. Any chance you got something in your barrel last time you were out?
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Piker how does the Boretech Eliminator work. I bought some but haven’t used it yet.
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Maybe you've mentioned this, but have you taken the rifle out of the stock? In my opinion it's unlikely that this is a copper fouling issue, it's far more likely to be a loose action screw or damaged bedding.
I know guys who shoot many hundreds of rounds whose idea of cleaning is a boresnake. I'm very interested in what the issue is when you finally get it figured out. |
I had a similar problem with my nephews Ruger 30-06 with a Vortex Crossfire (Cabelas Package). The scope was sliding forwards through the rings. Very very little but just enough to make the group opening up. Starting to get obvious after 8-9shots. The screws were tight and rechecked with a torque screw. I had to put marker on the scope to see the movement.
So far you have ruled out the scope. If you think the gun is OK, is time to check the rings. |
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Savage gone wonky with no apparent reason? Check for a loose nut behind the barrel. :)
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Personally speaking I would plll the action before heading out again. Cat |
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If there is oil in aluminum bedding block in either a wood or a synthetic stock ,, the action will move. Cat |
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Forgive my ignorance but I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around how oil can cause your action to move if it’s bedded and screwed down to spec.....tight is tight,no??Is it the bedding material itself that might be sliding?
And even if excess oil can cause it to shift a few microns,wouldn’t that be barely noticeable to all but the most discriminating PR shooter,as in fractions of MOA? ....and we are talking here about a dramatic 8” shift in POI....I don’t get it? |
You mentioned a different scope same result, was this scope a proven performer. I had a brand new out of the box bushnell scope that wouldn't group.
If your rifle is equipped with sights try them just to see if the gun will group with them, that'll eliminate a lot of questions . I had a chum that had a tack driver that went wonky cuz the action screws were too tight check the specs on your rifle for correct tightness, also the sequence in which they are tightened might be a factor. You never stated if you had it apart. I'm sure you checked the mounts but it might be worth another look. |
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BUt is the barrel nut tight? its a savage so could happen? I have had a Ziess fail, and a leupold so not that bazar. My leupold was a frustrating find, had to send back to Korth 3 times, then it got fixed correctly. Fought with the dealer paid shipping 3 times, never bought anything there again. Shot fine one day, then had 10 inch groups next day, swapped mounts, bedded gun swapped out scopes, and was back down to a 1 inch group. Took three years total go get the thing back in working order.( partially my fault as got it back, then did not have a gun to put on) then it still shot terrible, same deal, swap out scopes, send back, wait to install. Finally fixed. Ziess just fell apart inside, but it was on a 338RUM, so a bit of a kicker with 300gr bullets |
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Same as a small high point in the action or recoil lug. Cat |
Do you have another set of rings that you can try?
When you tighten the rings down, does the top half touch the bottom half or is there a small gap on each side? Are the rings lapped? Rings can be lapped too much. Just spit ballin' |
My money is on a bit of oil between action and aluminum bedding. Seen it happen before. My guess is it shifts around and puts pressure on the guard screws. guard screws need to be floating in the pillars/ stock holes. If one is touching it starts acting like a recoil lug and accuracy goes to Crap. For some reason aluminum and steel doesn't have enough friction under recoil to hold the action from shifting but glass bedding( devcon, j/b weld ) does ??
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I agree with Cat and Elk. I will bet either screws torqued wrong, oil under action or a cracked stock. Amazing how often I see cracked stocks on guns. Easy to fix, but as long as they are cracked the gun shoots very poorly.
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Serious question, if oil can shift your POI so much does water do the same thing?
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If the screws are tight and the rifle is bedded then there should be no movement. Correct?
Unless it is being caused by hydraulic pressure. Fluid getting between the recoil lug or other hard points and then not compressing normally as it would if it was dry. That should not be much of a factor if any at all if the parts are mated properly. The wood stock swelling could be an issue. If your in a steady rain where the rifle is wet all day would rain not cause this same issue. |
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Like a "drop in the bucket". |
Well, four days of running swabs and brushes through the barrel did nothing. I pulled the action out today, the screw that squeezes the recoil lug was not near as tight as the other screws and the front action screw was almost welded in place, damaged the screw getting it out. No oil or anything else between the aluminum rail and action. Have another action screw on order, will post again when it comes in and is mounted.
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