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You know the story of the guy walking up to a girl and asking if she would sleep with him for $1 million. She thinks about it, and agrees, as she will never see that kind of money otherwise. He then asks if she would sleep with him for $100, and she slaps his face, asking if he thinks she is a prostitute. He answers, “We already established that when you agreed to sleep with me for $1 million, now we are just negotiating the price”. Calvin's actions were like Hitler's, we are just talking about to what degree. Hitler ordered, followers complied. Calvin ordered, followers complied. Hitler set the stage, Calvin set the stage. And both had a philosophy to back them up. Quote:
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If a person was a pedophile, would you want to subscribe to his faith teachings? Unless your answer is yes, why would you do that for a criminal who orders burnings at the stake? By excusing it “because it was the times”? I cannot fathom that at all. Quote:
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avb3 and I have been going back and forth quite a bit, some of the posts with replies embedded in them have gotten a bit long (sorry) and I'm even getting confused with what's been said where :). |
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This is a very good segment by athiest bill maher about the death of bin laden, it's quite interesting.
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Why do you think your rather insignificant (numbers wise) part of Christianity is the right one? Over Catholocism? Over mormanism? Over snake handleing? Why do you think Christianity has any more authenticity than Islam? Judaism? Budhism? Hinduism or even shamanism? How do you feel Martin Luther was any more credible than Joseph Smith? What makes you so sure Christ even existed? There is no historicle reference to him from the period of his life. We can prove that Muhammed lived. We can even prove Buddha existed but we cannot prove that Jesus even existed? |
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Actually, they are much better then the original ones. I mean, who would want to cook a baby goat in it's mother's milk anyways or offer the blood of their sacrifice with leavened bread. That just is plain weird. (Exodus 34) |
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why is jesus white?
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I actually agree with him
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Further references include Peter Matthew Mark John whose books were written within there lifetimes and the lifetimes of Jesus. And this from wikipedia JosephusMain article: Josephus on Jesus Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews in 93 CE. In these works, Jesus is mentioned twice, though scholars debate their authenticity. The one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. In the first passage, called the Testimonium Flavianum, it is written: About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day.[71] Is that what you were looking for? |
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Josephus is viewed by many scholars as not exactly a reliable source, with a very strong suspicion of words being added at a later time. Why do the Romans not have any of those records? |
I reply to the previous two comments
Firstly i want to thank you for your respectful and lively debate. You have both put alot of thought into this and it seems like your seeking the truth.
I want to address that there isnt any evidence or mention of Jesus Christ during the time he walked the earth. As Dr Maier demonstrated there was a wanted poster for Jesus put out by the Sanhadrin that read as follows "Wanted Yeshu Hannozri" He shall be stoned becasue he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. Anyone who knows where he is let him declare it to the great Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. I hope this is what you were looking for. I hope it helps you understand that he was a real person. |
Further rebutal to No60
Your burden of Historical proof seems a bit unrealistic regarding historical figures.
For example Tacitus "Annals of Imperial Rome" is one of the chief historical sources for the Roman world of of the New Testament period yet suprisingly it survives in only 2 manuscripts dating from the Middle ages yet we believe people mentioned in his writings were real and existed. There are only 10 copies of Ceasars Gallic Wars eight copies of Herodotus History and seven copies of Plato all dated over a millenium from the originall and we dont question the historical accuracy of those documents or the people mentioned therin. So in short i think we can agree Julius Ceasar existed and so did Jesus Christ. If you want i can compare and contrast the evidence of the biblical manuscripts with that of the above mentioned historical documents Let me know if this would be of interest to you. |
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Peter wrote a gospel? Pray tell, where one would find it. |
The Gospel of Mark
mark wrote Peter's account of the events. And your right they were written after his death by the eyewitness to the events thank you for your correction sometimes i have fat fingers when i type.
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big bang ,billions of years, dust clouds becoming panets &suns, life evolving for million's of years, humans developing. PT,barnum and one born evey minute.this make lots of sense.sky guy and his long hair child poping down for an intervention once in a while. bit of a long shot,in my estimation.
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Religion is for those who believe, without proof or evidence...as there is none.
In all fairness and accuracy, many are practicing pagmatism not Christianity. |
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In respect to who is practicing paganism, you would have to be more specific as this relates to the judgments of your own experiences. |
I would implore you to read this book.
I found it refreshing once my eyes opened and I saw the truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMqTEfeqvmM |
Great Debate
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