The bottom line for me is that the American cannot own hunting permits for Alberta bighorns or any Alberta game. If outfitters constructed any deal to "get around" that prohibition, they deserve sanction. That includes the outfitter who fronted his name for the American and the second outfitter who dealt with the American to acquire Alberta permits.
I don't see why it matters that they called it a "lease" or a "contract" or a "trust" or anything else. It's shady and it's probably illegal. For .02, I'd say we trade a good part of the "subsistence" treaty hunting - which we all know has had little or nothing whatsoever to do with subsistence for at least 50 years for any reserve south of 60 - and give the bands these permits for their own use or for sale or for outfitting or whatever. Besides, an American would get a big kick out of hunting sheep with someone like WB for big money. (no offence, pardner....just sayin'). I think there might be some merit in thinking about it, anyway. |
Dosnt surprize me if it was looked into deeply you find a lot of US money backing Alberta outfitters its a money game and leaves resident albertana ou.t in the cold trying to buy tags logitimatly
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Koind of like how you cannot sell rights to access land for hunting... but can charge a gate opening fee...
Not Alberta related but how does an americn buy a big game guiding outfit in Canada (BC) and have rights the resident hunter does not.... |
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Pretty sure a Canadian has the RIGHT to buy a guiding outfit. |
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Correct Lefty that is what I meant...
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No wonder the Americans think we're dumb as a sack of hammers!!!...because we are. The tail is wagging the dog here with APOS. Say what you like about Morton as the SRD Minister, he started this crap!!!....the only good thing he did was open Sunday hunting, which I now believe was a clever ploy to keep us redneck Albertans happy, while his American buddies can move in and rape our resources!!!
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I used to be a supporter of Morton until he came up with that socialist abortion called the "Land Bills" (Bill 19, Bill 24, Bill 36, and Bill 50). Maybe he had me fooled? Maybe he got religion after he got into Cabinet? I don't know, but he's not a friend of anybody I'd call "conservative", that's for sure. As for this other stuff, there's a point where a guy feels like there's no use talking anymore and somebody just needs a slap. I'm not saying that's any answer, I'm just saying it feels like that sometimes. I'm back to my idea of trading all the outfitter permits/tags/licences/leases or whatever else they call it to our Indian Bands in trade for their "subsistence" hunting that isn't. Win-win, the way I see it. |
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Just considering some facts:
1-Only Alberta residents can hold big game outfitter allocations. 2-An Alberta resident can't use an outfitter allocation to hunt in Alberta. To me that seems to be an attempt to prevent corruption, as in an Alberta resident outfitter using allocations for himself, family, or friends to hunt certain species every year while other Alberta residents have to wait years to draw certain tags. Now you have an American using an Alberta resident's name to purchase allocations. That American, and his family and friends, can now use the allocations that he purchased to hunt big game in Alberta. In effect, we are providing non residents with opportunities that no Albertan can enjoy. Something is very wrong when we put non residents ahead of Albertans. |
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I remember an evening around the campfire not that long ago when an outfitter outta Black Diamond rode into our camp and basically demanded that "we" meaning four of us, ought to ride out and hunt on the other side 'cause we were screwing up his client from Pittsburgh. Your guess as to how the rest of the story transpired. Why in the heck should our southern friends be allowed to hunt these parts when I can't even purchase items from Brownell's or Sinclair is beyond me.
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My huge beef with them is that although APOS has the power to take away an outfitters allocations for malfeasance through their disciplinary committee, to my knowledge they never have. Including those that have been convicted of wildlife offences while operating as an outfitter, some numerous times. Some outfitters have even done jail time for wildlife offences, and APOS still thinks it is OK to have those types as operators. |
So, this Chad Lenz character is the new Mantracker? ????? nice way to get things started eh,
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[QUOTE=gitrdun;1485869]I remember an evening around the campfire not that long ago when an outfitter outta Black Diamond rode into our camp and basically demanded that "we" meaning four of us, ought to ride out and hunt on the other side 'cause we were screwing up his client from Pittsburgh. Your guess as to how the rest of the story transpired.QUOTE]
I'm guessing that you told the outfitter to head east of the #2 HWY with his Pittsburg Client to hunt for Sheep and Elk. "It's way better over there; less foot traffic and nobody will get in your way over there." LOL!! I think I got this scenario down, tell me if I'm right. This American Investor thought he had a great idea and needed an Alberta Connection with a Guide License. It was all Kosher but he did not receive payment from Chad quick enough after the hunting season for his liking. So then he dicided that he did not want Chad to have the rights anymore and thought that he would just sell them. Ooops!! They're not his, they belong to Chad Lenz. He tied Chad up in court so that nobody could use the tags; including hunters who already had trips booked through Chad Lenz. Chad lost out on that revenue (and so did the investor) Does this basically boil down to an American Investor selling something that he put in a Candian's name without telling the Canadian? |
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Ask Lorne Hindbo who he sold out to..LOL... |
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Am I understanding this right, that residents of Alberta cannot hunt bighorn sheep but outfitters receive allocations that they can market to non residents?
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Well NHO, not quite that way, but close. As it happens, the "hunter" was an author for one of the hunting mags that we often see in our magazine racks. The guide never did tell me who he was, but he did tell me which "rag" it was that he authored articles for. As a follow up, I will tell you that I was glassing the ridge across Rock Creek,. The very next morning, I cam upon the outfitter again. He decidedly agreed as we were glassing the sheep that my group had worked much harder, his "client" was sleeping on the hillside waiting for his call to a decent shot. Anyhow, if you live in this neck of the woods, I know that you likely know whom I may be speaking of in the BD area :thinking-006:
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Welcome to Alberta.
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In understanding this, it would help to remember that "Bighorn Sheep" and "Alberta" are synonyms. Alberta has more Top 10 Record Book heads than anywhere else - by a long shot. What did that Yank pay for the Minister's permit to hunt off-season and shoot the new World Record up around Cadomin a few years ago? $250,000.00. He also hired 3 guides to scope it out for weeks before he arrived. A little while later he was back and got another huge Ram. That one American spent, what, $400,000.00, to get those two Rams? Give or take. It's about money. It's always about money. Like Elkhunter11 said, it's also about foreign money doing what even Albertans cannot do - getting tags for friends and family for money. It's all wrong. For me, it's not about money. It's about the stink. |
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Now, getting APOS to cancel outfitters allocations when needed is a band wagon I can jump on to. |
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