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HyperMOA 03-28-2024 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4712623)
Seeing as how our diesel plant made the diesel that we burned in our heavy equipment, I happen to know that our diesel had to meet the 10ppm standard. My analyzer crew was responsible for monitoring the sulfur level, and if the level ever exceeded the 10ppm, we were not allowed to burn it, we had to run it through the plant again . And if we had an issue with a reading above 10ppm, I heard about it immediately. And we also had to import biodiesel to comply with the government standard for using a percentage of renewable based diesel.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2016/0...ewable-diesel/
So no carbon tax should be even considered, until all fuel used in Canada, is held to the same standard. And I am referring to fuel, not to the actual emissions produced by the engine, since it is the fuel that the carbon tax is applied to. And the carbon tax should be applied to all oil imports as well.
I was referring to emissions. Fuel quality and standards are required to meet said emissions, but as I said marine in particular isn’t required to meet the same standards as your pick-up like other large HP equipment. I can’t say for certain but I am sure that the reason you had to make your diesel meet the standards was because it was used in more than just the 797s. It was used on-highway as well I would bet.

As for adding carbon tax to marine fuel or raising the fuel requirements would just cause what to Canadians, and only Canadians, importing goods? Yes the good old carbon tax inflation cycle.

elkhunter11 03-28-2024 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HyperMOA (Post 4712694)
I was referring to emissions. Fuel quality and standards are required to meet said emissions, but as I said marine in particular isn’t required to meet the same standards as your pick-up like other large HP equipment. I can’t say for certain but I am sure that the reason you had to make your diesel meet the standards was because it was used in more than just the 797s. It was used on-highway as well I would bet.

As for adding carbon tax to marine fuel or raising the fuel requirements would just cause what to Canadians, and only Canadians, importing goods? Yes the good old carbon tax inflation cycle.
The point being, that the carbon tax is being applied to the fuel, not the emissions. It doesn't matter how efficiently we burn the fuel, we still pay the tax, and that makes no sense at all.

HyperMOA 03-28-2024 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trochu (Post 4712687)
I'm not sure about the Bud, but the new John Deere 9RX that's coming, meets "Final Tier 4/Stage V-compliant....emissions requirements using exhaust-gas recirculation technology". So while it doesn't use DEF, it does have emissions equipment on board, just switching EGR for DEF.

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Everything has to meet Tier 4F in Canada and US right now. Depending on HP rating though changes emission requirements. For example Tier 4 interim on high HP diesels was close to Tier 3 standards of the older truck engines. For example the C175s in the 797s that are Tier4F use DEF but have no EGR or DPF. John Deere isn’t using DEF so they are likely using a DPF. That Case Quadratrac uses DEF but no DPF. Your pick-up will have both a DPF and DEF to meet the emissions standards of its HP level. They are both Tier 4 but the big HP guys are allowed to be dirtier.

HyperMOA 03-28-2024 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4712698)
The point being, that the carbon tax is being applied to the fuel, not the emissions. It doesn't matter how efficiently we burn the fuel, we still pay the tax, and that makes no sense at all.
I agree. My point was don’t even speak about making our maritime industries meet our standards. If Trudeau hears that idea he will latch onto it and cause us nothing but pain.

elkhunter11 03-28-2024 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HyperMOA (Post 4712700)
I agree. My point was don’t even speak about making our maritime industries meet our standards. If Trudeau hears that idea he will latch onto it and cause us nothing but pain.
I don't see Trudeau offending his Chinese buddies by charging the ships hauling their goods to Canada, a carbon tax. And the same goes for the oil tankers coming from the middle east.

HyperMOA 03-28-2024 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4712703)
I don't see Trudeau offending his Chinese buddies by charging the ships hauling their goods to Canada, a carbon tax. And the same goes for the oil tankers coming from the middle east.
Agreed. But it wouldn’t be the Chinese or the Saudis that pay it.

58thecat 03-28-2024 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4712638)
Just for you, I will repeat my reply.

Seeing as how our diesel plant made the diesel that we burned in our heavy equipment, I happen to know that our diesel had to meet the 10ppm standard. My analyzer crew was responsible for monitoring the sulfur level, and if the level ever exceeded the 10ppm, we were not allowed to burn it, we had to run it through the plant again . And if we had an issue with a reading above 10ppm, I heard about it immediately. And we also had to import biodiesel to comply with the government standard for using a percentage of renewable based diesel.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2016/0...ewable-diesel/

Not needed as I was only laughing at a reply to you was all, found it funny but thx anyways.

Now back to sexy tractors [emoji609]


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W921 03-28-2024 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HyperMOA (Post 4712704)
Agreed. But it wouldn’t be the Chinese or the Saudis that pay it.

I like old trucks and heavy equipment. I belong to Facebook groups with like minded people. All our good iron is being exported and they are fixing this stuff up and running it forever. There costs are so much lower and we are going to be left with this plastic computerized junk. The third world is on its way up and we are on our way down. That's why Trudeau is more popular with foreign people. Just think about it. We hate our own prime minister so bad he has to let in foreign people so somebody will vote for him.
Everything Ottawa is doing seems to always have western Canada paying for it. I'm happy I have what I have because the prices of everything going up and I can't afford to replace anything. I'm way poorer now than was I was 4 years ago. I'm just trying to hold on.

W921 03-28-2024 05:40 PM
Basically Ottawa and Quebec have screwed our western economy with the hope of creating a new electric vehicle manufacturing in southern Ontario and mining industry for the batteries will be done in northern Ontario and Quebec. Even took western money to give to companies in Ontario and Quebec to do it.

Sundog57 03-28-2024 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by W921 (Post 4712659)
Your stuff comes from UN
Nah - Let's just say personal experience trumps Mr Google pretty much every time

I’d rather be outdoors 03-28-2024 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by W921 (Post 4712751)
Basically Ottawa and Quebec have screwed our western economy with the hope of creating a new electric vehicle manufacturing in southern Ontario and mining industry for the batteries will be done in northern Ontario and Quebec. Even took western money to give to companies in Ontario and Quebec to do it.
I really hope those mines are subject to the same environmental & regulatory rigour as western ones. Or is it just an environmental catastrophe just to build mines here? I’m sure the system is fair and unbiased…

densa44 04-28-2024 07:55 AM
Doing away with the tax?
 
Can anyone think of a tax that a government did away with? The Libs ran against Mulrooney's gov't with an "Axe the tax" s;ogan that was the GST, and after winning JC didn't do it. It has been the greatest money maker any government has ever seen.

The best strategy as Drewski has said is for PP just to keep out of trouble and bide his time.

The best I can think of for the libs is to elect a new leader close to the time they are required to call an election, and hope to poach some of the seats that are held by the NDs.

Are any of you fellows interested in running? The job comes with great bennefits.

elkhunter11 04-28-2024 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by densa44 (Post 4719990)
Can anyone think of a tax that a government did away with? The Libs ran against Mulrooney's gov't with an "Axe the tax" s;ogan that was the GST, and after winning JC didn't do it. It has been the greatest money maker any government has ever seen.

The best strategy as Drewski has said is for PP just to keep out of trouble and bide his time.

The best I can think of for the libs is to elect a new
leader close to the time they are required to call an election, and hope to poach some of the seats that are held by the NDs

Are any of you fellows interested in running? The job comes with great bennefits.
The UCP axed the Alberta carbon tax, so it has been done, even though socialist parties like the liberals or ndp haven't done it.

tirebob 04-28-2024 08:05 AM
Harper did lower the GST from 7% to 5% but not a complete elimination.

elkhunter11 04-28-2024 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tirebob (Post 4719993)
Harper did lower the GST from 7% to 5% but not a complete elimination.
Harper also doubled the TFSA limit to save Canadians taxes, but of course Trudeau reduced it.

But the UCP did axe the Alberta carbon tax that Notley enacted.

traderal 04-28-2024 10:20 AM
Just think the cost of the yearly interest on our national debt is now more than we collect on the GST. Just another tax whose proceeds are swirling into a deep dark hole.


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