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driller212 02-01-2010 01:27 PM

Bringing firearms accessories to canada from the states?
 
Hey guys, i have yet another question for ya. What are the laws/rules for bringing firearms accessories from the U.S. to canada? Im thinking of getting some tapco sks 20 round mags and get them pinned to five in the states and then either ship them or bring them here myself. Any thoughts? Knowledge? Advice?

Dick284 02-01-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by driller212 (Post 498694)
Hey guys, i have yet another question for ya. What are the laws/rules for bringing firearms accessories from the U.S. to canada? Im thinking of getting some tapco sks 20 round mags and get them pinned to five in the states and then either ship them or bring them here myself. Any thoughts? Knowledge? Advice?

Call Clay at Profit River in Lloyd, he'll have the gitty up on all the hoops you gotta jump thru on both sides of the border.

driller212 02-01-2010 11:42 PM

thanks !

Solothurn 02-02-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by driller212 (Post 498694)
Hey guys, i have yet another question for ya. What are the laws/rules for bringing firearms accessories from the U.S. to canada? Im thinking of getting some tapco sks 20 round mags and get them pinned to five in the states and then either ship them or bring them here myself. Any thoughts? Knowledge? Advice?

Tapco is NOT DDTC registered so an export permit will not be approved by the DOS.
Just bringing them up by yourself even pinned could land you in a ton of grief as the US Homeland security guys can and DO conduct egress checks fairly commonly now BEFORE you leave the USA. If you are in ossession of parts with no export permit, which is something only a licensed US exporter can obtain, you could get screwed over significantly.
Is feeding a big mag in your SKS really worth loosing your ride and getting persona non gratus status worth??

driller212 02-03-2010 11:07 AM

Well if i bring it back legally i should be fine. There are countless duckbill magazines for sks rifles that are legal in canada so why wouldnt a polymer one be legal if it is pinned to 5 rounds?

Dick284 02-03-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by driller212 (Post 500552)
Well if i bring it back legally i should be fine. There are countless duckbill magazines for sks rifles that are legal in canada so why wouldnt a polymer one be legal if it is pinned to 5 rounds?

You have to satisfy the US Export regs first.

Canadian Regs only apply if you can get it into the country first.

PO Homeland Security in the US and see where that gets you.

Solothurn has given spot on advice to you, go read it.

Solothurn 02-03-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by driller212 (Post 500552)
Well if i bring it back legally i should be fine. There are countless duckbill magazines for sks rifles that are legal in canada so why wouldnt a polymer one be legal if it is pinned to 5 rounds?

It is not so much a matter of whether it is plastic or pinned, the problem is in order to legally be exported the manufacturer must be DDTC registered or an export permit can not be granted by the DOS.
Also being as you are not a US State dept licensed exporter, you can not obtain an export permit.
I would wager that 90% of the pinned hi cap mags that are in Canada have not been exported from the US through legal means.
Not that many years ago the export rules were not enforced nearly as stringently as they are today.
Not that many years ago it was common for Canadians to go down to the US gun shows buy a ton of stuff that legally was supposed to have export permits, but IF the US border protection guys even bothered to check you prior to leaving they seldom cared unless it was a gun, since the airplane incident in New York however things have changed dramatically,and not for the better.

I import several million dollars worth of gun related parts and supplies yearly from the US and although not the import/export oracle, am pretty cognizant of the laws both here and in the US.

driller212 02-03-2010 07:54 PM

well thanks for crushing my dreams haha. too bad, but thanks for all the advice you guys, especially solothurn.

Solothurn 02-03-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by driller212 (Post 501105)
well thanks for crushing my dreams haha. too bad, but thanks for all the advice you guys, especially solothurn.

My suggestion would be to check the gun shows especially the Easter show in Calgary. you will still most likely be buying an illegally imported mag, and certainly at an inflated price, but at least you won't end up on the wrong side of US Homeland Security.
I do not advocate supporting illegal imports, but as long as there are guys who will smuggle stuff into the country and they are willing to risk alot for a little........

abolt 02-04-2010 09:06 PM

you can also try daves sport shop in lynden washington. he export's to canada. davessports.com. , nice guy give him a call.

fordtruckin 02-05-2010 02:32 PM

are they for personal use or sale?
 
I have never had a problem bringing any firearms related items out of the US into Canada. The only thing I could see as an issue is if you are bringing those mags into canada to sell. If its for personal use and your only bringing up an ammount that substaniates that its for personal use, I don't see there problem with it. I cross the border very frequently to visit family and have been stopped exiting the States once, and they were just checking to see if you had any tobacco or alcohol. I suppose if you look at the import/export rules every time you cross an international border you are breaking some law somewhere...

Solothurn 02-05-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin (Post 502678)
I have never had a problem bringing any firearms related items out of the US into Canada. The only thing I could see as an issue is if you are bringing those mags into canada to sell. If its for personal use and your only bringing up an ammount that substaniates that its for personal use, I don't see there problem with it. I cross the border very frequently to visit family and have been stopped exiting the States once, and they were just checking to see if you had any tobacco or alcohol. I suppose if you look at the import/export rules every time you cross an international border you are breaking some law somewhere...

I think if you called your Dept of State they would be able to change your thinking.
Exporting of ANY ITAR item is a big deal in the eyes of Homeland Security.
I suspect that you are runnng Washington state tin on your vehicle and flashing a US passport will certainly afford you more grace from BSA but try it with Cdn tin and a passport and you will be treated quite dfferently.
Bringing ANY regulated firearms part out of the US into Canada is breaking numerous US laws regardless of whether it is for business or personal use

6.5x47 lapua 02-05-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin (Post 502678)
I have never had a problem bringing any firearms related items out of the US into Canada. The only thing I could see as an issue is if you are bringing those mags into canada to sell. If its for personal use and your only bringing up an ammount that substaniates that its for personal use, I don't see there problem with it. I cross the border very frequently to visit family and have been stopped exiting the States once, and they were just checking to see if you had any tobacco or alcohol. I suppose if you look at the import/export rules every time you cross an international border you are breaking some law somewhere...

A T F stands for alcohol,tobacco,and FIREARMS.SOLOTHURN IS 100% RIGHT.

Solothurn 02-05-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by custom gunworx (Post 502888)
A T F stands for alcohol,tobacco,and FIREARMS.SOLOTHURN IS 100% RIGHT.

Actually they changed the alphabet soup a year or so ago to BATFE.
Bureau of Alcohol,Tobbaco Firearms and Explosives
I guess after Tim rattled them up in Oklahoma they needed to further expand the scope of their power to cover more bases:rolleyes:


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