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Johnny Huntnfish 11-09-2017 04:33 PM

Thoughts on dry-firing
 
The decision seems to be split on whether its ok or not. When I was a kid I had several buddies tell me not to dry fire their guns so I always thought it was damaging. Then I'm watching an episode of Meat Eater and he's getting training with a US Marine sniper instructor who says, "Dryfire, dryfire, dryfire, as much as you want in the beginning, when getting used to your new rifle, in order to get used to the resistance of your trigger"

Researching online and talking to buddies has pretty much rendered the same result....50% say its fine 50% say its a big no no.

Any thoughts?

Nova316 11-09-2017 04:35 PM

I've dry fired a ton out of my rifle without much issue. Maybe it's only an older rifle that has the issues and rimfire? If you are worried you could always make dummy rounds with silicone primers. But dry firing IMO is an amazing training too

HunterDave 11-09-2017 04:42 PM

We routinely trained by dry firing everything in the Military with no issues whatsoever. If it caused any problems I'm positive that the Weapons Techs would have advised that we not do it and we'd be ordered to stop. I think that it may have been something to be concerned with at one time but it isn't an issue with modern weapons.

Ken07AOVette 11-09-2017 04:43 PM

I think it is a way for someone to sell dummy rounds with silicone primers without feeling guilty and retailer to say 'oh you just dry fired it, SOLD!!!'

pikergolf 11-09-2017 04:49 PM

I dry fire my centre fires a lot. .22 is cheap enough to shoot that I don't bother dry firing, just range time. Have heard it will damage a rim fire though.

Au revoir, Gopher 11-09-2017 05:15 PM

I do as the manufacturer says. If they say don't dry fire it, I don't.

ARG

Andrzej 11-09-2017 05:23 PM

Years ago I've dry fired 30-30 Winchester Lever Action and heard clink...clink...clank.
There was tip of the firing pin on the floor.

I did not dry fired this gun again after I've got new pin.

I am dry firing bolt actions no problem.

troutbug 11-09-2017 05:45 PM

My thoughts on dry firing is yes, a vasectom.......................................... ....................ohhh that kinda dry firing, yeah its a personal choice

270person 11-09-2017 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troutbug (Post 3663845)
My thoughts on dry firing is yes, a vasectom.......................................... ....................ohhh that kinda dry firing, yeah its a personal choice


Often referred to as "turning oneself into a leaf blower"

YYC338 11-09-2017 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 270person (Post 3663923)
Often referred to as "turning oneself into a leaf blower"

Not a Toronto hockey fan myself:scared0018::thinking-006:

The Elkster 11-09-2017 08:11 PM

I'm thinking there has to be an experienced gunsmith on this site that can give a definitive answer with details as to why. I know I would like to hear it so I understand for future.

^v^Tinda wolf^v^ 11-09-2017 08:20 PM

I didn’t read any replies so it may have been said but I think this is a no no for older guns, the kind that old guys who wear booger napkins as clothing use.

smle303 11-09-2017 08:41 PM

dry fire
 
I agree with Pikergolf that center fire rifles it is ok to dry fire but not 22 as firing pin can slam against the barrel and chip or break the pin..

Bonescreek 11-09-2017 09:24 PM

I had custom made firing pins for my side by side 12 ga.
They were made of Monel SS steel. 60+ % nickel.
Main reason for not to dry fire was because of weaking the hammer
springs and wear on the sears not the the pins.
But I corrected the issue of a weak soft firing pin.
This gun was made like back in 1901 or so.
AristoCrate 12 ga. 28" left mod. right full.
2 3/8s chambered. Settle into your shoulder and feather up to you cheek
just as sweet as apple pie.

Yup, never felt a gun as light as this one.
For a side by side man it was a really nice gun.

Rockman 11-09-2017 09:33 PM

Yep, my understanding is that you can dry fire a centerfire, but not a rimfire.

schleprock 11-09-2017 09:44 PM

You can dry fire a 10-22 with no damage to it.

lannie 11-09-2017 09:50 PM

Many rimfire can be dry fired. Check manual or with manufacturer for the last word on dry firing.

Bonescreek 11-09-2017 09:52 PM

On the other hand ..
Dry fire away.
What do you have to loose.
Sounds like fun, jolly good fun.

270person 11-10-2017 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^ (Post 3663974)
t I think this is a no no for older guns, the kind that old guys who wear booger napkins as clothing use.


You're not hold until you're wearing the napkins at the other end.

omega50 11-10-2017 08:33 AM

I have had a few dry fires lately-Casualty of aging I guess

last minute 11-10-2017 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Huntnfish (Post 3663790)
The decision seems to be split on whether its ok or not. When I was a kid I had several buddies tell me not to dry fire their guns so I always thought it was damaging. Then I'm watching an episode of Meat Eater and he's getting training with a US Marine sniper instructor who says, "Dryfire, dryfire, dryfire, as much as you want in the beginning, when getting used to your new rifle, in order to get used to the resistance of your trigger"

Researching online and talking to buddies has pretty much rendered the same result....50% say its fine 50% say its a big no no.

Any thoughts?

I have in the past with center fire guns no problems but never never with 22 cal. That's just me:)

Groundhogger 11-10-2017 09:16 AM

I never do. Snap caps for everything unless I can de-cock the hammer. (easy on bolt guns) Why? I hate replacing firing pins. Granted, I haven't HAD to, but I chalk that up to never dry firing. :)

I recently had to replace the firing pins on a 1979 (inherited) 20ga. Browning Citori. Turns out replacement pins from Browning have to be "made to fit". Basically, a hand drill, files, a Dremel, paper and Scotchbrite pads...and one heck of allot of patience/test-fitting. I bought 20ga (red aluminum) snap caps for that gun before I took possession of it, but it's previous owner either wore them out..or dry fired it allot maybe..? Regardless, dry firing is easy to avoid, so I avoid it.

Bushleague 11-10-2017 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^ (Post 3663974)
I didn’t read any replies so it may have been said but I think this is a no no for older guns, the kind that old guys who wear booger napkins as clothing use.

Just curious, but how old would be too old?

I do a ton of dry firing with my centerfires, I've never had a problem and I feel it can be superior to range time in building up familiarity with a firearm.

Oldest rifles I've dry fired regularly are a Remington 760 from the 50's and a Lee Enfield from the 30's neither rifle has suffered so far. Just wondering what the exact cut off date would be.

Last night I caught a wolf crossing a cutline, he was moving pretty quick and only paused for a moment. He was in the open for less than 5 seconds and my shot opportunity was only a fraction of that. I snapped my rifle up and dropped him on the spot, that's the kind of thing I feel that dry firing is good for. When a shot opportunity is measured in heartbeats everything needs to happen subconsciously, if you need to think about anything its too late.

tikka250 11-10-2017 11:05 AM

Centerfires yes. Rimfires no because the firing pin is striking off to the side it can strike the breechface and cause peening on your breechface or pin.

catnthehat 11-10-2017 11:06 AM

Older style rifles with open hammers are a no go because the pins will hit the receiver on the shoulder of the pin instead of the primer.

Flintlocks no problem if the flint contacts the frizzen.

Some 22 LR manufactures say no problem and others are a no go because without the case the firing pin actually hits the side of the chamber as was already explained.
Coil spring firearms don't seem to have a big issue with dry firing and the ones that i have seen that broke firing pins all did it when firing a cartridge, dunno if they were already fractured or not.
Cat

petew 11-10-2017 11:32 AM

It was drilled into me in the 60's "Don't Dry Fire" , and I listened. So far I have never had any problems with a failure.:)

HighlandHeart 11-10-2017 11:53 AM

I was taught to always dry fire a rifle as a function test after reassembly. Some rifles are supposed to be dry-fired before taking them apart. I agree with the idea that it is a idea to sell more snap caps.

Pioneer2 11-10-2017 11:55 AM

dry fire
 
No especially RF and shotguns.

Full Curl Earl 11-10-2017 12:59 PM

Yup
 
Like Cat said, but ad SIngle Action revolvers with pins mounted to the hammers to that list of no dry fires, you'll be replacing pins if you do. I believe snap caps are good, but the soft material where the firing pin strikes wears quickly, and once it does you may as well not use them. Note that Earlier Rem 597's are not meant to be dry fired.They strike at the 12 o'clock and will peen the mouth of the chamber and it will not chamber, and a reamer may be needed.
I dry fire all center fire rifles. If you do by chance break a pin, everything is fixable.

Skytop B 11-10-2017 01:35 PM

Depends on the gun. My competition pistols have been dry fired thousands of times with no issue. Rifles a lot less. Shotguns and rimfire not without dummy rounds.


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