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"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-09-2013 10:32 PM

Help Yourself!
 
Hello Dear Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum,

Recently an excellent police Dog was killed in the line of duty in Edmonton. Additionally, in this same city, a Mans' home was violated (in a seperate incident)!
This man was assaulted terribly, his wife was sexually abused all the while the couples young child was present in the home. Additionally this Gentleman was kidnapped for ransom. For more on these stories, use your search engine.

The only cry for change is for Laws against the killing of a police dog... A dog? I love Dogs yet this is ridiculous. Any Dog attacking any Human is plain wrong in my mind. They (the police) apparently value their Dogs more than Human Life!!!

It is Legal to defend yourself.

It is legal to make a citizens's arrest.

Both as of this writing in Canada.

It is high time Canadians were granted legal status to protect themselves with a firearm (or any means they see fit for that matter, with the exception of mass destructive devices and the like) - the only thing that could have saved so many from a violate fate. We, as Canadians, are having our very Humanity destroyed as a result of outdated lieberal legislation.

It is high time for a change in our Laws. Let your M.P.'s know we have had enough and need the right to take care of ourselves!

BeeGuy 10-09-2013 10:37 PM

Where is Rocky7?

I am sure he would express a similar sentiment on this topic.

HunterDave 10-09-2013 10:41 PM

None of the above. There isn't any law that's going to stop me from protecting myself or my family.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-09-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave (Post 2148575)
None of the above. There isn't any law that's going to stop me from protecting myself or my family.



Of course not!

None the less, with the current system it is highly likely you would be charged with "unsafe stoarage of a firearm" in the least. You (nor any individual forced into such terrible circumstances by evil) do not deserve any hassle, not even to lose your gun for a moment, for doing so.

I salute you Sir. May you never have need to do so and be full of days and happiness!

gutline homestead 10-09-2013 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterDave (Post 2148575)
None of the above. There isn't any law that's going to stop me from protecting myself or my family.

AGREE,totaly. If we just ignore the government will they just fade away.I have protected my wife and wound up before 12 .Even the judge wanted to know why I was charged and going through this.The jury took about ten minutes,not guilty on all 5 charges.Do Not come to my house and be a pig to my wife ,to ****. on my leg.And I will do it,again and again, till I`m in the ground:shark:.

NEWB 10-09-2013 10:56 PM

I don't worry about the police. They are the last people I will call about an incident. When I have an issue I deal with it. I am not concerned about "being hurt, or killed". People need to stand up and not let rubbish be tolerated. The populous has been conditioned to let the police do everything as any action from a “civilian” may result in injury, harm or death to said civilian. I do not subscribe to that propaganda.

I learned a long time ago the only thing you can count on police for is disappointment.

If one becomes familiar with human psychology, body language, verbal and non verbal cues you can mitigate risk and take control of the situation. You can even manipulate it to a favorable outcome for you…. What ever that may be.

BeeGuy 10-09-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gutline homestead (Post 2148596)
AGREE,totaly. If we just ignore the government will they just fade away.I have protected my wife and wound up before 12 .Even the judge wanted to know why I was charged and going through this.The jury took about ten minutes,not guilty on all 5 charges.Do Not come to my house and be a pig to my wife ,to ****. on my leg.And I will do it,again and again, till I`m in the ground:shark:.

Sounds like the courts found no problem with your actions.

good.

Big Daddy Badger 10-09-2013 11:13 PM

Sorry but I never found the answer to your question among those offered.

I already have the right to protect myself...we all do and we have always had the right.
I'm alright with that right as it now stands and I have exercised it quite often in the past and no one has ever tried to prosecute me for doing so.

I do not need further permission to protect my home or my familiy or anyone else and anyone that feels the need to say "mother may I or that walks around concerned that they might get into trouble... is not likely to have the presance of mind or confidence to act independantly anyway.

Further....
I'm not trying to start anything but the fact is that anyone who does not understand these things already or that worries about something as trivial as the normal questions that do occur when chit hits the fan... will also probably find themselves mentally incapable of actually following through with what it is they are demanding....regardless of how convinced of their own ability they might be now.

That is a well established fact and in my experience...the louder people proclaim otherwise...the more likely it is that they'll freeze or completely shut down.
They also tend to be the ones that have the hardest time dealing with violence in the aftermath and disproportionatley fall victim to things like PTSD.

In the end I guess it can be summed up like this.

Defend yourself... the only person that you ever needed pernission from... was you.
So...why is it that you have not done so?

Regards.:)

huntsfurfish 10-09-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave (Post 2148575)
None of the above. There isn't any law that's going to stop me from protecting myself or my family.

Yup, x2

Big Daddy Badger 10-09-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy (Post 2148568)
Where is Rocky7?

I am sure he would express a similar sentiment on this topic.

Indeed.:thinking-006:

Redfrog 10-10-2013 12:24 AM

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hayseed 10-10-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog (Post 2148668)

^^^^^ Pure Gold!!!

Okotokian 10-10-2013 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "No Choke"Lord Walsingham (Post 2148560)
It is Legal to defend yourself.

It is legal to make a citizens's arrest.

Both as of this writing in Canada.

It is high time Canadians were granted legal status to protect themselves with a firearm

Where does it say you can't defend yourself with a firearm?

Exactly what provisions are you proposing? Changes to the storage laws? Concealed carry? what?

Geezle 10-10-2013 08:54 AM

:party0051:

6.5 shooter 10-10-2013 09:03 AM

The police will protect me, I do not need to protect myself.


Now that is funny :bad_boys_20:

Wild&Free 10-10-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian (Post 2148864)
Where does it say you can't defend yourself with a firearm?

Exactly what provisions are you proposing? Changes to the storage laws? Concealed carry? what?

I think he's referring to the respond with like force clause. can't stop a fist fight with a gun shot kinda deal.

Redfrog 10-10-2013 09:24 AM

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Outbound 10-10-2013 09:27 AM

Due to past experiences when the chips are down, from a flat tire to a home invasion, the very last people on this planet that I'll be trusting are the police.

And that's all I have to say on that.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okotokian (Post 2148864)
Where does it say you can't defend yourself with a firearm?

Exactly what provisions are you proposing? Changes to the storage laws? Concealed carry? what?

All of the above plus open carry, especially open carry of long guns. I am proposing the elimination of the firearms act in its entirety. Complying with the act is dangerous because of the time it takes to unlock/access and load a weapon during an emergency. Especially when one is scared and startled from comencement of a criminal attack. I do not wish to break the Law at all, not even bend it some if there is anything I can do to help it.

I am upset by all the violant crimes in Alberta and elsewhere. I did not phrase my statements and poll well as a result of this. Plus I had a pressing matter and had to be off the computer, so I rushed a bit.

I very much appreciate all of your comments Forum folks! I am definitely enjoying what has been read so far.

Thank you.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild&Free (Post 2148892)
I think he's referring to the respond with like force clause. can't stop a fist fight with a gun shot kinda deal.

This too, you are correct in your thought Sir. I do not think I should have to produce a club if someone attacks with a ball bat, et al. It is a weird and unnatural clause. There would be alot less violence of criminals had to think -

"I could try to mug this guy with my hockey stick... But what if he shoots?! Never mind. I'll just go sell drugs or try to steal an atm machine..."

It's a good deterrent.

north american hunter 10-10-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog (Post 2148668)


That picture is awesome!

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gutline homestead (Post 2148596)
AGREE,totaly. If we just ignore the government will they just fade away.I have protected my wife and wound up before 12 .Even the judge wanted to know why I was charged and going through this.The jury took about ten minutes,not guilty on all 5 charges.Do Not come to my house and be a pig to my wife ,to ****. on my leg.And I will do it,again and again, till I`m in the ground:shark:.

Obviously your actions were good. If not, your trial would have had a much different outcome Sir!

None the less (perhaps needless to say), you did not need to suffer the hassle, expense and stress of a trial after suffering that of an attack on your family!

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger (Post 2148620)
Sorry but I never found the answer to your question among those offered.

I already have the right to protect myself...we all do and we have always had the right.
I'm alright with that right as it now stands and I have exercised it quite often in the past and no one has ever tried to prosecute me for doing so.

I do not need further permission to protect my home or my familiy or anyone else and anyone that feels the need to say "mother may I or that walks around concerned that they might get into trouble... is not likely to have the presance of mind or confidence to act independantly anyway.

Further....
I'm not trying to start anything but the fact is that anyone who does not understand these things already or that worries about something as trivial as the normal questions that do occur when chit hits the fan... will also probably find themselves mentally incapable of actually following through with what it is they are demanding....regardless of how convinced of their own ability they might be now.

That is a well established fact and in my experience...the louder people proclaim otherwise...the more likely it is that they'll freeze or completely shut down.
They also tend to be the ones that have the hardest time dealing with violence in the aftermath and disproportionatley fall victim to things like PTSD.

In the end I guess it can be summed up like this.

Defend yourself... the only person that you ever needed pernission from... was you.
So...why is it that you have not done so?

Regards.:)

No need to appologize Sir. Obviously anyone with a will to live would much rather go to court than the coroner's office!

From The Hip 10-10-2013 08:36 PM

WTF does the death of a police service dog have to do with protecting one's
home and family from the scum of society?

From what I know the police service dog was slashed with an edged weapon
when the guy was attempting to flee from the EPS.As far as I know there was
no instance of home invasion/burglary/break in/theft and on and on.So why is this thread with the really stupid poll(that is equally useless) even posted?


There was no home invasion/Burglary etc so WHY try to link the unfortunate incident of a police service dog getting killed in the line of duty with the subject matter of this thread?


EPIC FAIL.

And to the OP if you are so paranoid about the law enforcement authorities of this country seizing your firearms maybe you should just bury them in the ground on a large acreage.

FTH

Selkirk 10-10-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okotokian (Post 2148864)

Where does it say you can't defend yourself with a firearm?

Exactly what provisions are you proposing? Changes to the storage laws? Concealed carry? what?

Exactly ^ !

Another one of these *&^%$#@ silly threads :rolleye2:

Excuse me while I go do something more constructive ... like change the oil in my truck.

Mac

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by From The Hip (Post 2149824)
WTF does the death of a police service dog have to do with protecting one's
home and family from the scum of society?

From what I know the police service dog was slashed with an edged weapon
when the guy was attempting to flee from the EPS.As far as I know there was
no instance of home invasion/burglary/break in/theft and on and on.So why is this thread with the really stupid poll(that is equally useless) even posted?


There was no home invasion/Burglary etc so WHY try to link the unfortunate incident of a police service dog getting killed in the line of duty with the subject matter of this thread?


EPIC FAIL.

And to the OP if you are so paranoid about the law enforcement authorities of this country seizing your firearms maybe you should just bury them in the ground on a large acreage.

FTH

What?

If an officer came upon yourself tonight the first thing said would surely be "Sir, have you been drinking?" My guess is something much stranger than booze...

Just because you did not hear of something does not mean it did not occur. There was a home invasion just the other day in North Edmonton wherein the events described in the original post of this thread transpired. Just type "home invasion north edmonton october 2013" or some such into your favourite search engine.

Now child, here it is ~ The police want a law to protect PSD's above and beyond other animals. I have heard calls for this, yet nothing for true allowances for people to protect themselves.

I am not typically a fan of answering a question with a question... Yet your drivel does not deserve that common courtesy - Why would you bother reading and posting to this thread/poll if you dislike its content? Why would you give of your precious time to come here and post mire instead of clicking on over to a different thread? Because you want a reaction? Silly.

Why am I bothering to reply to your nonsense? Because I feel generous tonight. It is but one of my good deeds today.

Aim next time, you aren't hitting on any points from-the-hip. Stay out of this thread if you don't like it. Especially if you are going to make accusations and be a, what's the word?

TROLL!

:oregonian_winesmile

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacLeod (Post 2149845)
Exactly ^ !

Another one of these *&^%$#@ silly threads :rolleye2:

Excuse me while I go do something more constructive ... like change the oil in my truck.

Mac

Thats a good idea! Maintainence is very important, glad to see you are taking care of your vehicle.

I must admit this thread (especially/namely the poll questions) was concieved as a bit of a tongue-in-cheek homage to all of the aforementioned "silly threads" out there.

:)

wally338 10-10-2013 09:30 PM

I live in rural SK the only reason I lock my doors is to keep the law out, I ain't worried about my neighbours breaking into my house.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham 10-10-2013 09:36 PM

Crime statistics show that incidents of serious violent crime in Canada is spread nearly 50/50 rural/urban. A locked door has many benefits Sir!

BeeGuy 10-10-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog (Post 2148911)

That second one looks like someone applying for an RPAL.


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