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IHUNT 09-03-2012 06:00 PM

Hockey this year or not??
 
Does anbody else besides me think that there wont be any hockey this year!This will really suck AGAIN!! :angry3:

Clgy_Dave2.0 09-03-2012 06:05 PM

Doesn't look like it. Both of them (NHL and the NHLPA) can go to hell. I don't mind that the players make what they do (MILLIONS). I don't mind that the owners make what they do (MILLIONS).
But when the two of them refuse to put forth what they're paid to do because they both want MORE?!???? ****** 'em all. I've already started watching Junior A hockey. That's where I'll be.

220swifty 09-03-2012 06:13 PM

The Rebels better put together a decent season.

blackpheasant 09-03-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 220swifty (Post 1588585)
The Rebels better put together a decent season.

X2, just heard Sutter is back with the team as well, Go Rebels!!!

blackpheasant 09-03-2012 06:36 PM

Owners have all the power, players will have to cave eventually, they may as well do it now.

nick0danger 09-03-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackpheasant (Post 1588632)
Owners have all the power, players will have to cave eventually, they may as well do it now.

To a point players hold out no revenue, and fan don't came particularly in the us so the players have some pull. But less revenue less pay. I'll back them players but I'm done with owners handing out 100 million dollar contracts and wanting it back.

Anyone want to trade my flames memorabilia for some saints stuff?

Kanonfodder 09-03-2012 07:12 PM

100 million contracts have very little to do with this...the pie is 70 million large if your top 3 players make say 20 mill that leaves 50 mill for the other 20 players ( if you spend to the cap ) the players want to keep the majority of the NHL revenue..anyone hear own a business where YOU assume all the risk pay all the bills and then give your EMPLOYEES 57% of the revenue generated?
On the owners side on this they want to close the loopholes that SOME owners are exploiting

waylow 09-03-2012 07:42 PM

I wish I could get 57% of my employers revenue. That'd be like 200 grand a day!

Lefty-Canuck 09-03-2012 07:44 PM

I am to the point with NHL Hockey....that I just don't give a rats rip anymore.

LC

nick0danger 09-03-2012 07:44 PM

Biggest expense the company I work for is people, making about 10 to 20% profit on jobs. People are expensive, I'm pretty sure the company you work spends a fair chunck of it's revenue on people as well.

hal53 09-03-2012 07:48 PM

Does anyone hear even know, or have heard of the players on the negotitaing side???...as per, the fringe guys want their cut. With too many teams, and too little talent, it is a bus crash waiting to happen...put Crosby, Hall, Skinner etc. on the players negotiating side and the deal will be done in about 10 mins.

Clgy_Dave2.0 09-03-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hal53 (Post 1588785)
Does anyone hear even know, or have heard of the players on the negotitaing side???...as per, the fringe guys want their cut. With too many teams, and too little talent, it is a bus crash waiting to happen...put Crosby, Hall, Skinner etc. on the players negotiating side and the deal will be done in about 10 mins.

Bad Spellers Of The World...Untie!!!!!

Sorry..couldn't resist ;)

hal53 09-03-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Dave (Post 1588789)
Sorry..couldn't resist ;)

hahahahaha!!!!...good call!!!:sHa_shakeshout: note to self, "u are too old to type and talk on cell at the same time"

Kanonfodder 09-03-2012 08:19 PM

Players harp about revenue sharing, anyone think Crosby is going to divy up his 10 mill per/yr with the 4th line plugs?

Twisted Canuck 09-03-2012 08:23 PM

Of course there will be hockey this year. My son is playing AAA Bantam, and I'm going to enjoy watching a bunch of kids play their hearts out for the love of the game. My kind of hockey. They are playing in Red Deer and Leduc this weekend, pre season exhibition games.

hal53 09-03-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder (Post 1588831)
Players harp about revenue sharing, anyone think Crosby is going to divy up his 10 mill per/yr with the 4th line plugs?

my point....which is why the 4th line plugs are at the table....

Roughneck12 09-03-2012 09:04 PM

Don't care really. Screw them all.

Roughneck12 09-03-2012 09:16 PM

Don't care really. Screw them all.

MoFugger21 09-03-2012 09:22 PM

There will be NHL hockey, and I'll be back watching with bells on, cheering the Flames to their inevitable 10-12th place finish.... (sigh)

creeky 09-03-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck12 (Post 1588928)
Don't care really. Screw them all.

X2.

When asked by a reporter about the players withdrawing their services when the fans had supported them all season to get to the playoffs. Joe Niewendyk(then a calgary flames player and players rep) responded " the fans know their place".


Well that killed it for me once and for all (former big Niewendyk 50 goals in his rookie year fan).

Cancel the damn season too many pigs at trough!

TreeGuy 09-03-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder (Post 1588707)
100 million contracts have very little to do with this...the pie is 70 million large if your top 3 players make say 20 mill that leaves 50 mill for the other 20 players ( if you spend to the cap ) the players want to keep the majority of the NHL revenue..anyone hear own a business where YOU assume all the risk pay all the bills and then give your EMPLOYEES 57% of the revenue generated?
On the owners side on this they want to close the loopholes that SOME owners are exploiting

Insightful as always my friend. Totally agree. :)

1899b 09-03-2012 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by creeky (Post 1588996)
X2.

When asked by a reporter about the players withdrawing their services when the fans had supported them all season to get to the playoffs. Joe Niewendyk(then a calgary flames player and players rep) responded " the fans know their place".


Well that killed it for me once and for all (former big Niewendyk 50 goals in his rookie year fan).

Cancel the damn season too many pigs at trough!

Exactly!!!! How ironic that with these astronmical salaries, the game is softer. Give it ten years and there won't be any contact. I'm 40 years old and attended hockey schools where we were taught to hit. Now the art of the hip check is gone, and if a player has his head down and you hit him with your shoulder, its illegal where in my day it was a beauty open ice hit. I can't stomach these prima donnas. Bring back Scott Stevens and the Wendel Clarks please. Hockey used to be a tough game. Now we get to watch *****s like the Linus Omarks of this world with spinorama figure skating moves during a penalty shot. Cancel the season and the way the game is played today!!!

Clgy_Dave2.0 09-05-2012 11:32 AM

I've already gone to a junior game. Great hockey and it only cost $40 for the boy and I...INCLUDING hot dogs and Drinks

Pincherguy 09-05-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Dave (Post 1591538)
I've already gone to a junior game. Great hockey and it only cost $40 for the boy and I...INCLUDING hot dogs and Drinks

:sHa_shakeshout: right on Dave, thats a $100.00 bill athe flames game, and better hockey too.:)

Okotokian 09-05-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder (Post 1588707)
anyone hear own a business where YOU assume all the risk pay all the bills and then give your EMPLOYEES 57% of the revenue generated?

You mean a business where your payroll is 57% of your total revenue? I think there are a ton of labour-intensive businesses where that's the case.

Don't forget, the employees ARE the product in the NHL. It's more akin to asking what film companies should pay their box office stars for a film.

Clgy_Dave2.0 09-05-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pincherguy (Post 1591548)
:sHa_shakeshout: right on Dave, thats a $100.00 bill athe flames game, and better hockey too.:)

$100?!!!! Last flames game I went went like this:

Parking: $13
Tickets: 2x$125 = $250
Program: $15
Food and drink: $60

Well over $300 and it was a boring game. And I was in the second tier.

JohninAB 09-05-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder (Post 1588707)
100 million contracts have very little to do with this...the pie is 70 million large if your top 3 players make say 20 mill that leaves 50 mill for the other 20 players ( if you spend to the cap ) the players want to keep the majority of the NHL revenue..anyone hear own a business where YOU assume all the risk pay all the bills and then give your EMPLOYEES 57% of the revenue generated?
On the owners side on this they want to close the loopholes that SOME owners are exploiting

Tend not to agree. Why should the owner profit from jersey sales etc with the name Crosby on the back? It is the Crosby name selling those jerseys so should he not profit from that as well? Say Eberle on one jersey and Katz on the other, which one is going to generate more revenue? Why should Katz get that additional revenue when it is Jordan's name generating it?

Owners risks, what their taxpayer funded arenas may burn down? Taxpayers may request repayment of monies loaned to build the arenas? How many concussions did Ed Snyder endure in Philly? How many knee operations did the Bruins owner endure during Orr's career? How many tickets sell for each game to watch the owner sit in their suite? Owners do not assume all that much risk.


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