Make a wish is ANTI Hunting
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Now let’s continue our conversation. #1 I do understand Make a wish.. I wonder if you do?? Make a wish collects donations and then allows kids to go on a "Wish" trip. Be it Disney land, Visiting relatives, meeting a celeb.. Whatever they want, and Make a wish pays for these things out of donations BUT they do not allow children to ask for a Hunting trip. This all came out a few years ago after the ANTIS threatened to pull financial support because a dying kid wished to go on a hunt of some sort. Even though they had all the Moral high ground any group could ask for, they CAVED!!! Make a wish came up with BS excuse that sick kids couldn’t handle guns.. (But I wonder if anyone has tried the Bow End of things?) That is the crux of my issue. You guys are sportsmen, why not support a group who supports what you do? I don’t like the excuse.. "They allow Fishing" Because all that does is throw a dividing line between 2 groups that are actually one group. My Rant is not fruitless... My rant is dead on, and you didn’t do your homework when you came up with this idea. (Well that and its not a Rant):wave: In a roundabout way, by that charity being picked, you just supported the ANTIS and the thought process to bring an end to hunting. I know that wasn’t what you had intended.. But that is one of the results. You had no idea that they didn’t allow sick and dying kids to do what they wanted. These are my feelings. Make a wish is a organisation that does wonderful things for kids. However I chose to support the organisation that does similar things but are more to my tastes and what I would assume should be most Outdoorsmen's tastes. Now that you know, what are your feelings on the subject? Thanks Jamie |
Ah man why is it everyone seems to be picking fights . Who cares if Make A Wish is anti hunting . There's other organizations that would surely put a young boy or girl in contact to go on there dream hunt . Keep in mind these are typically young children . Enough from me before I get Warning e mails about my conduct of this forum .
I'm far from anti hunting . I fish hunt , and so on . I love the outdoors its who i am . Just because an organization doesn't want to be affiliated with hunting that's there choice .Like I said I'm sure if a youngster wanted to go on his or her Dream hunting trip , they would put the person in contact with the right organization that deals with that . |
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Just like I care that Air Canada charges $50 to transport firearms and west jet does not, I avoid AC at all costs even when I'm not transporting firearms. I like to think of it as 'making your point with action as opposed to words'. |
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Started after many of the problems with Make A wish and their anti-hunting stance. Quote:
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Jamie a totally classless and downright dirty attack on a gentleman who is giving his time and effort to help support a worthwhile charity. It is about the kids not the politics involved.
If you do not like the choice of his charity then fine, no need for your commentary on it. And maybe, just maybe, you should ask him the story behind why he chose this charity and then maybe you can come back on here and humbly apologize to the man. |
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PETA supports this group, Peta was a big player in them getting rid of hunting...As a fisherman.. Your next on PETAS hit list. You as a fisherman will need all the help you can get when push comes to shove. If you continue to support groups who discrimnate against hunting, you will not have anyone to stick up for you. The unfortunate part of all of this is that its KIDS that get caught in the middle.. They have enough issues to deal with. And yes there are other organisations that deal with the hunting end of things. So shouldnt we as sportsmen help out those organisations? They are not near as well funded as Make A WISH.. They need our help. Jamie |
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Also notice I added to my post . |
The Make-A-Wish Foundation is not anti-hunting! This organization once attempted to set up a hunting trip on the wish of a sick child. There was tremendous pressure from their supporters to reconsider. The foundation was forced to make a difficult business decision. It chose not to go ahead with the planned hunt. Doing so would have jeopridized the wishes of future kids. It was a sound business decision!
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Hats off to Rumtan for putting the effort in to help sick kids. However I do see what jamie is saying and I have to agree with him.
I stopped shopping at Mountain Equipment a few years ago because they support anti-hunting, why should this be any different? I would be a hypacrit if I threw some money at an event that is against the activity I love. |
BBJ....................... i think on June 14th..... we will accept donations to the "Alberta Outdoorsmen Waaa-Bulance Foundation
It was a fishing derby on Family day Jamie. Not a Hunting derby. At least the money did go somewhere useful dont you think? |
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Jamie, if Make-A-Wish were actively campaigning against hunting I'd agree with you and not support them one iota. However, it seems (from what I've read here) that there is no active campaign. I doubt they really care one way or the other. They appear to just be responding to heat from a group they consider to be a major supporter (or risk). Lack of guts? Perhaps. But I wouldn't suggest stoppping support for all the kids they do help. They don't seem to me to be an "anti" group. Since they seem to be swayed by pressure from supporters, perhaps the more proactive way to move would be a big donation from a hunting or firearms group. ;)
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and Jamie...... why did you delete that i said on your WALL.. that that was a low class cheap shot towards Rumtan??? :huh: truth hurts?
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Ok.. Lets make one thing VERY CLEAR
I appreciate what Rumtan did and what he may do again in the future. It was nice idea for the kids. I just find it ironic that a group of sportsmen would give there hard earned cash to a worthwile charity BUT it is a charity who will not allow kids to enjoy the outdoors as they see fit. From the sounds of it, Rumtan didnt know exactly who he was dealing with. Thats all I was saying boys. It wasent a cheap shot, It wasent a low blow.. It was a valid observation Jamie |
Jamie, you posted this for no other reason than to start a fight and belittle what Rumtan is doing. There is a story behind why they do this Make a Wish derby and I have been told it and I respect Rumtan for what he is doing.
And if I choose to support Rumtan in his endevaour that is my decision and my decision only. Not yours or anyone elses for that matter. I surely will not be judged by anyone on this forum for supporting Rumtan. I was invited down to see the fruits of their labour when they have the sick kids out fishing and I may well take him up on his offer. It is too bad by your attack on this fine endeavour that some kids now may not get their wish because of some external politics that they have no control over. Not every sick kid in the world wants to go hunting! As for other groups, well then step up to the plate and do what Rumtan is doing and start a derby for them. I am sure we will gladly support it as anything to help out the sick kids in this country gets my attention. As for PETA, if they are supporting the Make a Wish foundation so be it. I may not agree with their views on hunting but I agree with their support of this fine charitable organization. I will not let petty politics get in the way of helping out others less fortunate. If I had that attitude I would have never volunteered my time as much as I have done. |
its was garbage.
You dont see Make a Wish out lacing dog food with glass or slashing tires. Its a Charity thats helps kids plain and simple. So what............... if the charity of choice was Multiple Sclerosis or Canadian Diabetes Association....would the original post have been made? Its not like the derby made a donation to Make A Wish in the number of multi thousand dollar figures. It was a Family day fishing event. WOW |
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It was just a suggestion that perhaps next time consider a charity group that is more to our tastes. Your DEAD wrong on this one JOHNIN AB. I have thanked him already, I have said a few times that it was a nice thought and he deserved some acolades. I just dont 100% aggree with his charity of choice. I am sure he had no idea that Make a Wish was a Anti hunter set up. SO perhaps next year if he choses to do something simalar he can make a more informed choice. And if that happens to be Make a wish.. SO be it. Its still a good idea. Jamie |
Look at your thread title Jamie. Make a Wish is anti hunting? On what piece of information did you get this fact you are purporting here?
As Doug stated they had to make a business choice for the best interests of all the kids they deal with. They did. Never once have I seen the Make a Wish foundation come out against hunting. To even question Rumtan's choice of charities is inexcusable. You do not have a clue why so do not even attempt to question it. Not your place to do so. |
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I don' t really think its up to you to stir the pot and get everyone worked up over something you can't even control. Its there choice of a foundation to support , and its great there guys like Rumtan who do so . In my opinion this post is nothing other then a bash session. FOR GOD SAKES ITS ABOUT THE KIDS AND NOTHING ELSE ...... |
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You know i see a couple of guys that are helping kids who may not live long or may have problems and cant do lots. But donateing money to make a wish and seting up things to make moeny to donate and all you pple have to do is fight about it. I think its a dam great idea what there doing and i support what they to and hope thats there more things coming up soon. And remeber they do all this in there own free time to help out charrity. So to all you ppl out there who have nothing good to say about the idea can go blow horse dong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND BBJ'S RITE ITS ABOUT THE KIDS IF NOTHING ELSE. |
Boy oh Boy are some of you guys SLOW..
Its not about bashing Rumatan. Its not even about Bashing his choice.. Answer this question.. IF Make a wish bans fishing trips for sick kids, are you still going to be there to support them with such tenacity? If so.. Good for you. I made a business choice to support those that support what I do. It's not like Make a wish is going to fold up becouse I made this choice. Its more like I feel better supporting a group who supports kids in the outdoors. JohninAB. Make a wish purposfully made a decsion that I dont agree with. And you as a outdoorsman should understand that. I applaude what they are trying to do, but I dont aggree with the stance they have taken. From a personal stand point if I have a choice between Make a wish and Hunt of a life time.. I will pick Hunt of a lifetime each and EVERY TIME. Especially if I was throwing a Outdoor type event. This is a OUTDOORSMEN board. Support the Kids who want to be Outdoors. Jamie |
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Is Rob and AO anti hunting then for posting this event on their forum? The event that supports an Anti Hunting Charity? http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=24629 :rolleyes: |
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No you dont see that. But by Make a wish folding to the demands of the types of groups that do SLASH TIRES.. They have given them power and confidence. And honestly, those groups dont need any more power. Donate to whom you wish. Just be mindfull of the consiquences. Jamie |
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Kelly Semple is helping to run it, so I am sure it will just continue to grow. In fact this discusion has made me pick up the phone and leave a message with Kelly telling her I want to help out in some way. Jamie |
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Absolutely nothing but praise for what RUMTAN has put together I know it must have been a difficult decision for make a wish since a majority of wishes they grant are to have children meet some of the liberal hollywood types that support groups like HSUS. |
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