Anyone else would be fired
 

But not these guys
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/05/0...officer-guilty

Court documents show Martin used the VISA credit card to buy the two helmets from Cycle Works West for $684.84 sometime between Dec. 22, 2010, and May 19, 2011. Martin never repaid the money.

According to the agreed facts, the helmets were brought back to the Spruce Grove detachment after the complaint was filed and investigated in an attempt to pass them off as a legitimate RCMP purchase.


A thief and a lier......? And they wonder why they lost the respect of the public. Sheez is this crap ever going to end.:angry3:

Of course he should be fired, but I doubt that it will happen. Instead this criminal will continue to be paid to uphold our laws. What a joke the RCMP has become.

He just needs some hugs.

Fraud & bad behavior exists in all police forces but it truly makes you wonder if it is time for our own provincial force or a system like Montana's. The RCMP have lost the trust of so much of the public & had such huge screw-ups maybe not possible for them to become relevant again. I have had no personal dealings with them for decades but my respect for them wanes with each passing year. On the other hand, Rick Hanson APPEARS to be doing a top-notch job leading his people by example.

Bringing them to the detachment after the investigation has started should result in obstruction of justice charges. Let's see if the RCMP is able to police itself this time, for once.

But have they lost the trust? How many ppl never watch the news? There's a lot of stories I would never have heard of except for this forum, especially in regards to a topic like this. Usually it's tucked way back the the part of the paper that no body reads.

Good point.

I know of a police officer in Edmonton traffic div who attended a scene where the driver of a vehicle died at the scene. This officer removed a number of items from the trunk and gave said items to his three boys and his wife at the time.
I know of this because I dated that wife after she divorced him. The incident was brought before his superiors and he wasn't punished for the crime at all as he was close to retirement.

RCMP are a joke and need to be disbanded.

He's only one cop... last year there were a couple of hundred RCMP in High River that didn't know right from wrong!

I feel bad for this guy he only stole $680 from the Government and is up on criminal charges were the Red Queen stole thousands of dollars from us and goes on as almost nothing happened.( And yes I am being sarcastic)They are all a bunch of crooks.

Good point! Of course he was wrong for what he did, especially in a position of trust. Having said that, I sure hope the rest of you hypocrites so quick to jump on the band wagon, have never stole a pen from work? I'm confident none of you have ever been speeding or smoked dope or??? Get off your high horses! What puts YOUabove the law? Your sense of entitlement???

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but think before you speak!

R...

Everyones a crook to some sort of degree. Its to what extent is the question. Where should the line be drawn? Some jaywalk and some do a buck 40 headin south on hwy 2 to Nisku for work.


However, the people that should uphold these laws, while still human, should do their best to show an example.

If you or i did this with the corporate credit card, the irony is that this officer could be the one investigating if your company presses charges.........

On leave with pay, hmmm, that should help recoup the helmet cost. phyeatric test for a credit card theft. Wouldn't be any test for us lowly citizens. Poor man was probably still traumatized from the Mayorthorpe incident and couldn't help himself. Has he not suffered enough already?

Me. I don't steal nor smoke drugs. I try damn hard not to speed and live everyday with a clean conscience.

Rcmp are thugs and bullies. The view from my horse is excellent.

I agree with you. But I was just trying to make a point.... I love my job to, but it doesn't give me the RIGHT to speed to get there. I seriously doubt buying a couple of helmets will/would ever cause anyone injury or death whereas speeding does everyday. It's the potential seriousness me thinks. One cost a few hundred bucks the other could cost tens or hundred of thousands.... You're right, it is the potential extent...

R...

Jaywalking isn't a violation of our criminal code, and neither are most instances of exceeding the posted speed limit. For that reason, a conviction of those charges, doesn't result in a criminal record, and they don't result in serious sentences. On the other hand fraud is a criminal act, so someone that commits fraud is a criminal, and should be treated as such. This officer willingly accepted money to uphold the very law that he violated, so seeing as how he can't be trusted to uphold our laws, he should not be paid to enforce them.

Fraud can be rectified by repayment, loss of life to excessive speeding cannot.

he should be required to repay and have his expenses monitored. remember training of an officer does cost taxpayers a fair amount and throwing them out the door for a lapse in judgement is a poor use of resources.

a good Singapore style caning would help too.

Does your generous offer of judgement also apply to car thieves? Shoplifters? Individuals who defraud seniors?

Pay back what you stole and life goes on?

It is the man's 2nd lapse in judgment.
The first lapse that we know of was in Mayerthorpe.

So are you also in favor of doing the same with all thieves, embezzlers, and con men that cheat people out of their life savings? Remember, it costs a lot of the taxpayer's money to take them through the courts, and provide food and shelter for them in jail.:rolleye2:

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
 

While I am not defending the actions of this officer, I do wonder whether Post Traumatic Stress Disorder played a role.

For what he had to go through, and now has to live with due to the events in Mayerthorpe, it is my understanding that PTSD can cause a person to do things they would normally not do. PTSD may not manifest itself for several years.

Just wondering.....

Mr Conservation

Justice is not about punishment but seeking remedy to injustice. if he paid it back then he has remedied the injustice and no cost for court or jail. monitoring his expenses is punishment for not being honest. All men are innocent until proven guilty, and upon making amends should be forgiven, but not forgotten(hence the monitoring and record keeping).

Every situation and circumstance must be evaluated and proper remedy assigned by a jury of peers. this is why at one point in western society honor killings were legal as juries would want to maintain the right to kill the man who shot my brother so to speak. The law of the land is much different then the laws at sea. learn the difference and see why government and police control over society has grown so much over the past 200 years or so.

Not surprisingly, you totally avoided the question, so I will repeat it, although, once again, I expect that you will avoid answering the question.

So are you also in favor of doing the same with all thieves, embezzlers, and con men that cheat people out of their life savings? Remember, it costs a lot of the taxpayer's money to take them through the courts, and provide food and shelter for them in jail.

Every situation and circumstance is different. I do not believe in one blanket policy to deal with a multitude of events. So the answer to your question is No.

life is not simple, but if all you want is simple answers then by all means carry on.

Double post.

So you're for arbitrary application of the law then?

If the arbitrators are a jury of peers then Yes.

Should shorten your signature Rugs. It's longer then a lot of your posts.:love0025:

So what makes this any different, than any other case where a person steals money from the company he works for? Take for example the person that worked for the city of Edmonton, that collected money from parking meters, and stole part of it. I guess that he should have just given the money back, kept his job, and then be monitored? How about the bank employees that steal from the bank? Shouldn't they just give back the money, keep their job and be monitored? What makes this situation any different?

His organization determines employability, the law sets methods for remedy.

I know of several instances where there has been theft and fraud at a workplace and the employers and management handled the situation in exactly the way I have outlined. All men are equal, he deserves the same treatment.