Mule deer hunting in Alberta
 

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So they can hunt every year? How long are the draws on where you like to hunt? It’s 4 years for me.

Exactly, a non resident can use an outfitter , and hunt every year. Even if a resident was willing to pay for an outfitter, they must still draw a tag.

This is the BS that makes me angry. Once every 6 years in a zone with 2x as many outfitter tags as resident.

Mule Deer Hunting
 

Yes Agree totally with your comments. Alberta should make it like Sask where non resident aliens can only hunt black bear and whitetail deer in the northern zones. No Moose, Elk, Antelope or trophy mule deer. This is great for making it a quality hunt for residents when they do get drawn for a coveted tag in one of those species.
May be the borders will still be closed this hunting season and we will have it all to resident hunters. We will see

Corey is always snooping around here with his Americans, he’s pretty well known,but not that well received.

Not sure about all outfitters, but I know some areas I had permission on mysteriously shut down for me when the guides moved on to the property.

Tags should have to be on draw for NR just like for us.

The only thing worse than this situation, is that as residents, we continue to tolerate it.

I agree with you 100%. The hunter should have to get drawn then look for an outfitter to hire. I believe that is how most of the western states operate.

That will make zero difference to the resident hunter.

We raise them and should have first crack at them, more so than the crooks of APOS. :D

Grizz

The outfitting business is of no benefit to the resident hunter.

well that's true never has been and never will be a benefit to the resident hunter.
I don't see it changing anytime soon not in my lifetime.

I look at the draw tags as a well deserved gift now....wait..wait...wait...and then BINGO:sHa_shakeshout:

I sure as heck wouldn't pay an outfitter to put me on a animal....way too much cash for me...and I hear what your saying the pick of the crop should be residents first but then again an outfitter has to make a living too....kinda see both sides....

If the government owned the tags instead of the outfitter and nonresident aliens drew out of a pool set aside for them the government could then react quicker to adjust nonresident alien hunting opportunity when resident hunter opportunity is reduced.

There is the benefit of international support when defending hunting rights, the outfitters also help generate money for wildlife, and at times can be beneficial politically. Indirectly resident hunters do benefit a little from Outfitters

The problem is that when you have crooked outfitters they also cause major problem. Residents and outfitters are also in an on going battle over tags under the present system. Because of this many find the negatives out way the positives

The system needs work and the lowlifes need to be thinned out is how I see it

Outfitters are tying up land by paid access and there is no law to prevent it.
This is an ongoing problem that is impossible to stop.
You hire a guide, pay him, and he never has to leave his house.
He gives exclusive access to the outfitter for his land and it's all legal.
Greasy but legal.

Paid access to hunt is illegal it’s the issue of proving it

Sure it happens but it's definitely illegal

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Mule deer hunting
 

It’s going on north of Amisk. No resident access to the most prime land parcels.

Yea I’m over all non resident big game outfitters to be honest. They think there something else and are some major source of financial revenue to the province. All a joke in my opinion. There needs to be a major change soon. These clowns also guiding residents is a joke as well.

so if terry and mark drury have to wait 6 years to get a tag instead of just coming up every year and shooting one, that wouldn't benefit us?

If you just want to level the playing field with the non-residents as far as wait time goes, then sure it benefits the residents. However those non-resident hunters will start to apply and over time will shoot just as many deer as they do now, which will not change our opportunity whatsoever.

I will say though if they're guiding residents those residents have to be going through the draw process, they're not using Outfitter a locations .

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I believe there should be no allocations to outfitters of big game species that residents are required to draw for. A mistake that Alberta’s hunters have paid for since.

The biggest mistake Alberta made in game management was to allow allocations to be tradeable commodities. It’s an affront to the North American game management model and the principle of public ownership of wildlife.

All outfitter allocations should be cut in half!!

You don’t own the animals buy owning an allocation
You own the right to hunt them
Big difference

I’d rather see a 6 month waiting period for new Alberta residents to be able to buy a resident hunting license. And I don’t think that they should be eligible for entering draws. To me, I see outfitters having less of an impact on me drawing a tag.

If any zone has more then 20% of the tags being allocations AB residents are being stole from. I know it happens in mule deer and antelope zones.

It’s not such a difference at all. The outcome is the same if private financial interests trump conservation and wise management. Allowing outfitters to include allocations as part of the equity of their personal business and net worth gives them, individually and collectively, a greater degree of leverage to lobby and influence game management.

It doesn’t trump sound game management because they aren’t the ones who dictate harvest quotas. The government at can buy them back at any time. Just like they did with commercial fishing in Alberta. The government makes the rules