6.5 Grendel vs 308 Win
 

123 gr vs 168 gr
2580 fps vs 2700 (factory hornady ammo)

6.5 G = 52.7% less recoil
6.5 G = 26.8% less bullet weight
6.5 G = 4.4% less velocity
Same penetration, .252/.253 sd’s

Nearly same impact velocity range distances all the way out.

Almost identical to the difference between 6.5 cm and 300wm.

Not trying to be an azz here, just trying to portray more accurate perspectives to help explain the apparent marketing and hype etc. When SOCOM adopts something to replace the 308, there’s a lot more too it than marketing and hype. Just trying to show what that can mean to hunters. Use it right, like anything else, and it ain’t no thing but a chicken wing.

Nice stats. I guess if you guys keep hitting antlers and arseholes you need all the help you can get. 🙂

My 270 would have done no better. In fact I was left pleasantly surprised even knowing I had more than enough in my hands. As I mentioned before, if you got to be a apart of the processing you never have guessed what cartridge it was and never suspected anything but a standard long action cartridge. The performance was far more about bullet construction rather than its size or what piece of brass it launched from. Just proved exactly what I’ve been showing, which numbers really matter, and that pretty much all our choices have more than enough in 0-300 yard work where 98% of all big game is taken.

Exactly! Cabin ever must be setting in early!:sHa_sarcasticlol:

We can't restrict topics to popular cartridges.

OP, if you are here to argue you're skating on thin ice.

Everyone else, if you are not interested in the discussion just move on and don't take part. Lots of threads to engage in.

Once again match bullets you are using for hunters to compare.
6.5 G = 37-40% less momentum
6.5 G = 39-43% less energy

There was a great thread deleted recently that I don’t think I saw you on? So you maybe missed all the good eldm info from links posted from the long range guys on other forums. The match style bullets such as amax or eldm are well known performers in game. Especially these long high sd bullets, good expansion on the front end and still plenty left at the back end to keep that penetration deep.

Sns2 I get your frustration but you nuked a lot of good data in that thread. A lot.

I can think of three more threads he should remove as they also contain the same amount of "Good Data". What a joke.

Inclunds data, charts, links to great threads well outside the center of the universe here. We’re you here for that one? Fantastic field results posted etc. Like I said...good data gone.

Is this the way the forum i going to go since the legalization of cannibals.

Sorry that was supposed to be cannon balls.

No smoke for this guy, wine occasionally. The gym a lot...those endorphins though.👌

Doh, just saw your edit, lol not bad.😁

Lmao, the envy of fine follow up shooting through 100 yrds of trees is real.😂

If the math hurts then by all means find any way to attack the teacher. Because that will change reality lol.

Stinky I think we get it that you like the 6.5 but 3 threads on the same subject is a bit much but yes sometimes good threads are killed a bit to quickly.

Strange indeed, we didn't see the ft lbs energy of the Grendel.

From the Hodgen powder sight
Grendal 120gr Triple shock x bullet.
JBM ballistics site. 200 meters 1992 ft-per seconds 1058 ft-lbs energy

308 Winchester 165gr triple shock x bullet
JBM ballistics sight 200 meters. 2371 ft-per seconds with 2060 ft-lbs energy,,, that's 1300 ft-lbs difference in energy

500 meters. 1750 ft-per seconds 1122 ft-lbs energy.

So that blows your math out of the water.

Guess your math isn't working for you SC.

The 308 has 64 more ft-lbs at 500 meters then the Grendal has at 200 meters.

Strange that you post this with out adding up the numbers.

I read your thread. Honestly I’m a little shocked. Not really sure why you Are trying to give everyone advise. Maybe less computer time and more at the range

BULLET WEIGHT165 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderCFE 223
Bullet Diameter.308"
C.O.L.2.750"
Starting Load
Grains45.4
Velocity (ft/s)2,649
Pressure46,700 PSI
Maximum Load
Grains48.3
Velocity (ft/s)2,839
Pressure61,500 PS

And the 308 Winchester dudes will have less felt recoil then the Granola with reduced loads.

308 Winchester 130gr bullets 500 Meters with 1121 ft-per, 363 ft-lbs energy.
This works out to 821 ft-per seconds at 200 meters
We can load down, where as the smaller cases are limited to case capacities since they can't load up.

Funny how the tables turn

Sigh! I’m actually a big fan of 6.5 projectiles launched from mild mannered cartridges, not a magnum guy at all. And I agree with you on many points.
If you think a 6.5 cm can out run a 300 wm then you are skewing things.
A 300 wm can move a 210gn Berger at just over 3k. A 140 Berger (or eldx) 6.5 bullet at around 2800 will not touch that. The only advantage would be felt recoil if you actually compare apples to apples.
And reality? Well the reality is that people are getting tired of being beat over the head with the Creedmoor bible by the self appointed teachers and defenders of all things 6.5.
If you want to convince people share posts of some good targets of short and long range work. Show some chrony data with low ES, and show some successful results from hunts. The rest of it is just exhausting.

There are some that feel ft/lbs are important. I didn’t include it because it, and momentum, are useless figures in determining the penetration ability of one bullet vs another.

I didn’t choose 6.5’s, I just follow numbers, and that’s where the magic is currently. All the info about range work and a lot more hunting info is out there. This is a pretty small forum, you find plenty.

I to agree that there are deffinatly some advantages of each cartrage,,, and this is with out disadvantages as well.

X catrage offers this,,, Y cartrage for that.

"Hopefully" they perform for the operator, that's what really counts.

Just because our group decided to go hunting this year with the magnum guys doesn't mean squat,,, same for them putting up with us BB hunters.

This will be the same for the gang in Northern Ontario,,, the goal is about good times. "Inclusion" to the group.

I guess it depends on how the message is delivered and received,,, most wize humans don't waist their time drawing exclusion in life

Can that particular cartrage / rifle do the job,,, sure it can,,, "hopefully" the package is delivered when it's needed.

If my fellow brothers or sister fills the tags, then all of us reap the rewards.

None of us have to fit the mold of the "best of the best,,, if that floats the boat, then have at it,,, same as others that choose their path in life.

I'm old school, still learning small things along the way,,, but the majority stuff that's sorted will most likely remain the same.

Why give up on something thats working. Ha

It's tough being a knuckleheads at times you know

You’re doin alright, trying to engage, that finger you’re pointing there’s three more pointing right back revealing the truth here.😉

It’s not advice, just view points, on cartridges and bullets, as the more accurately relate to each other. You’re welcome.👌

Wright on SC,,, same at my end,,, the only numbers I count are the critters that fill the freezers...

Probilibly the same numbers,,, just that I use mine in a different category. Ha

Just comparing factory to factory, I’ve read the Grendel is loaded to 2650-2750 in 20” and 24” barrels. Reloaders can make cartridges a lot kore versatile. I’m simply showing baseline comparisons so people know what the new stuff can do compared to long time standards and where things fit.

Yes, more options in the reloading category,,, it helps improve what irons we have. Both the 6.5 and 308 and all cartrages as well.

More about including the fellow group of good times,,, everyone gets to pick and choose what works for them.

Pretty hard to force people to drink water when they don't need any. Ha

x2. Lost all credibility when he commented that energy and momentum don't mean anything when it comes to a dead animal.