The 223 as a viable big game round volume 2.
To belabour the point and because this place slows to a crawl in the summer here it goes.
Even though I apparently will shoot less in my lifetime than some here will shoot in a year I was out again this morning. I had zero intention of running my phones video capabilities but thought what the heck. The video is only for sound (I’m going to buy a phone Skope now) so please have no expectation of a Warner Brothers movie. Yes, I know I’m not shooting deer. Yes I know steel does not bleed. But a deer at 250 yds could not, in seven lifetimes, win this battle. And I wouldn’t have wanted to be a deer standing at the distances illustrated either. https://youtu.be/kn5VfOXG8sQ https://youtu.be/nB55NuE6PjM |
What was wrong with your first thread?
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Any thread on these forums loses all sanity after page three.
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I applaud your passion for the sport as well as trying to give info on capabilities of your enjoyment with your 223. In the right hands in the right circumstances it will kill. But the regulations are designed to control the general population's activities. I disagree that 223 would be effective on a regular basis by the more general population of people who want to get out for their 1 or 2 days of being involved in the sport and go be "hunters" so they can go back to their other lifestyle and brag about their amazingness to their non-hunter friends. A skilled trained person who loves the hobby and spends a large number of days every year would be better at deciding the right situation where 223 capabilities are appropriate, but average guy would not. That is why the regulations require more powerful cartridges for big game hunting.
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..and yet you start another one. Nice shooting, but it didn't prove a thing. Touting the .223 as a Deer cartridge to 200yds might cut it but promoting it as an acceptable general Big Game ctdge has less chance of success than the probability of a .223 reliably and consistently taking Deer at 300 yds... except, of course, if you're doing the shooting. Now, keep it sane please. |
Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?
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Yep still provinces. Hmmmm what do we do now?
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do not have much more than very small whitetails, some exotics and feral hogs available to hunt. Normal shooting ranges are often short as well. The wide variety and size of our available Big Game in Alberta is totally different. As usual, there are exceptions. I think we have some excellent smaller cartridges available. Why push the absolute minimum agenda? |
What about the two most comparable? One immediately east and one West?
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How about Alaska? Utah?
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I think a 223 is allowed in many of the state's due to its limitations. I can't say for sure but many of the state's have quite a bit higher density of hunter per area then we see here so a rifle with a limited effective range might be more welcome then a more capable gun for safety reasons.
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just because there is a lack of government control over choices doesn't mean that every choice is a good one. i love to hear that people are allowed to make their own choices... as long as people are smart then there is no need for government control. its when common sense flies out the window that the government has to start making laws to control the populations decisions. stupidity is a big reason that laws are created. i still think that in the hands of the common man, 223 is not a sound choice for most hunting. if someone cant handle the recoil of a proper hunting cartridge, then they need to change the setup. either get a heavier gun and have an adult carry it for them, or change the recoil pad, or get a muzzle brake, or keep shooting until they are comfortable moving up to a proper cartridge. Why do we keep asking for more and more leeway to allow for lesser and lesser hunters.
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Some guys just like to be the focus of attention and hear themselves talk I guess. Yawn. |
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I can put 5 inside a loonie at 100yds with my 17 HMR, so being basically a sniper with this gun, I think I should be allowed to use it for CP2 and CP3 game animals.
I'll only take headshots at 100 yds and under....I promise....because... I'm a 17 machine. 150 fpe at 50 yds be damned. More than enough to put the smack down. It's all about ME and I would like to use my 17 HMR for everything. That way I can sell all my other rifles, buy cheap ammo, and I'm betting I can get down to 5 inside a dime if I practise with it enough. TYVM. P.S. I think I should be able to use it for waterfowl as well. |
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