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huntwat 03-18-2019 05:12 PM

metis info
 
For your reading enjoyment.
ht tp://albertametis.com/harvesting/

Trappingman 03-18-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by huntwat (Post 3948692)
For your reading enjoyment.
ht tp://albertametis.com/harvesting/

Awesome!!

marky_mark 03-18-2019 05:42 PM

Awesome 👎👎👎👎
There goes all the sheep and moose

Jamie 03-18-2019 05:54 PM

So, can someone give me the Coles notes on this? Seems the Metis nation now has access to the entire province north of Red Deer.

Any reason why this can not be changed once we get a proper Gov in charge?

elkhunter11 03-18-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 3948708)
So, can someone give me the Coles notes on this? Seems the Metis nation now has access to the entire province north of Red Deer.

Any reason why this can not be changed once we get a proper Gov in charge?

As with any agreement made with one government, it can change with the next government.

MooseRiverTrapper 03-18-2019 06:14 PM

Link not working.

R3illy 03-18-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper (Post 3948719)
Link not working.

www.albertametis.com/harvesting

pikergolf 03-18-2019 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 3948708)
So, can someone give me the Coles notes on this? Seems the Metis nation now has access to the entire province north of Red Deer.

Any reason why this can not be changed once we get a proper Gov in charge?

With the scandal coming out of the Kenney camp I'd hold off on talks of a gov change. Pizzes me right off. Are they all corrupt?

R3illy 03-18-2019 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 3948708)
So, can someone give me the Coles notes on this? Seems the Metis nation now has access to the entire province north of Red Deer.

Any reason why this can not be changed once we get a proper Gov in charge?

From what I see metis harvesting rights won't be decided upon by f&w anymore. The zones wont be restricted to 160km distance of ones settlement.

Instead of needing a harvesting rights paper from fish and wild life metis will need their metis card with the proper zones that they have rights to.

What's not clear is the specific area each metis person will be able to hunt. For example one metis settlement over laps into 2 zones based on the website so will those metis be able to hunt both zones?? Sonto answer your question no they dont have access to half the province. Definitely a bigger area but far from entire province.

A friend is asking how his current harvesting rights change so I can confirm tomorrow if hes restricted to one or two zones tomorrow.

And on the topic of a govt changing the rules.. these changes have been in the works for maybe 10 years. Ndp didnt start these consultations, they just happen to be the ones in power for the signing of things.

Deer Hunter 03-18-2019 06:28 PM

What next?
What is the afga's position on this?

Deer Hunter 03-18-2019 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikergolf (Post 3948726)
With the scandal coming out of the Kenney camp I'd hold off on talks of a gov change. Pizzes me right off. Are they all corrupt?

Yes. Yes they are.

sourdough doug 03-18-2019 06:52 PM

FWIW... Somehow, it was my understanding that treaties are/were drawn up and agreed upon my both parties, for the benefit of both as well. There are those out there, that do not like Donald Trump..BUT.. where he saw treaties, that were unbalanced and unfair for his people, he had the other party sit down and even the playing field.....that's right....HE TORE THEM UP...(the treaties)
When will our politicians set a set ....and set things straight for the 21st century.

Jays toyz 03-18-2019 07:04 PM

I Keep trying unsuccessfully to interpret this to mean my wife who's settlement is technically Manitoba, can now shoot that cow moose that ate every Saskatoon bush on my property here in Northern Alberta. If someone could highlight that passage, I would appreciate it.

katts69 03-18-2019 07:18 PM

When will the coddling of this society stop.
From what I can see is 5000 Métis living on actual settlements and 100,000 more registered that can now hunt and fish year round
I am sure more will come crawling out of the woodwork with their newly appointed rights.

Smokinyotes 03-18-2019 08:31 PM

Effing disgusting. Why have any laws at all if it’s just a free for all.

marky_mark 03-18-2019 08:45 PM

At least we are all equals in Canada
No one gets preferential rights over others
Ha!

Lefty-Canuck 03-18-2019 08:57 PM

Hmmm what should I identify as today.

LC

Grizzly Adams 03-18-2019 10:01 PM

Wildlife is a limited resource, non renewable if exploited too severely and not managed properly. Enough said.

Grizz

gman1978 03-18-2019 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams (Post 3948863)
Wildlife is a limited resource, non renewable if exploited too severely and not managed properly. Enough said.


Grizz

X2

Well the Métis did play a major roll in eliminating the bison on the Canadian prairies. That’s a documented fact.

On another note I wonder how these rules would ever be managed in a responsible fashion.?

katts69 03-18-2019 10:17 PM

They won’t be managed. Long as you got a sticker on your card, fish and feathers will turn a blind eye just like with the treaty First Nations.
It’s a political mess to interfere.

R3illy 03-18-2019 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jays toyz (Post 3948754)
I Keep trying unsuccessfully to interpret this to mean my wife who's settlement is technically Manitoba, can now shoot that cow moose that ate every Saskatoon bush on my property here in Northern Alberta. If someone could highlight that passage, I would appreciate it.

It's very clearly laid out that your settlement must reside in Alberta and you must have very clear contact with current settlement.

Scouter 03-19-2019 12:24 AM

You do not need contact with your settlement. Just a contemporary connection to your harvesting area. Which means your current address and your originating settlement in the same harvesting area, then that’s is the harvesting area you designated.

baticus 03-19-2019 06:33 AM

More posturing from the current government for votes is all that is.

Coming from a metis guy, this whole sky is falling theory is getting old. To most metis in those areas, it wont change much. Sure there may be a few bad apples that will take this overboard, but that already happens with a few within the current fn agreement. But it also happens with a few that are not effected by these agreements.

Don't forget that MOST everyone that enjoys the outdoors, and hunting or fishing, wouldn't want to see its resources depleted. We are all stewards of the land.

Also, although I do not agree with the apparent lack of agreement for the southern part of the province (thanks phillips for wanting to protect your "parks") this is more than just a provincial agreement. The supreme court of Canada has deemed it a constitutional right for metis. This means that although this agreement could get changed, or scrapped for a period of time, there will always be another.

R3illy 03-19-2019 09:03 AM

For the most part I would agree with you baticus but I'll play devils advocate here. In eastern Ontario there are bands/settlements with 100k members who are all new within the last 5 to 8 years.

They are taking membership from anyone and everyone. If that happens here it will be a problem.

I'm mostly concerned with how Metis nation of Alberta will keep it so people aren't gaming the system. My guess is that it will become a total crap shoot.

last minute 03-19-2019 09:28 AM

They take only what they need there is plenty to go around for everyone Whats the problem:confused:

baticus 03-19-2019 09:42 AM

R3illy, I understand your point. This should only be the start of the agreement. The metis nation of alberta should come out with some rules and/or guidelines that its members should abide by. It shouldn't turn into a free for all.

dicknormal 03-19-2019 09:44 AM

This agreement is not worth a hill of beans to the largest % of the Alberta Metis population. It is more pomp and circumstance geared at vote's for the NDP.
By the time the majority of Metis realize they have been left out of this agreement it will be to late and they will have voted. Links to these 4 area's have to be proven to have existed prior to 1900 and then that only allows harvesting in that area.

Scouter 03-19-2019 09:52 AM

all MNA members have already proven their genealogy pre 1900. all they need now is current address in the area in which their settlement is located.

Scouter 03-19-2019 09:54 AM

area "D" is huge! mountain zones including Cadomin. wow

Scouter 03-19-2019 09:56 AM

can they hunt Grizz and goats?


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