What are your thoughts on this .
Fresh off the communist broadcasting corporation.
American psychiatrist says that very small percentage Of the violent crimes in the USA are committed by people With mental illness . It is unfair to label people with Mental illness as violent offenders. The hostess missed the opportunity to ask ,Does that Then mean that most of the school massacres ,sniper shootings , Children drowning and wife killings are committed by normal Well adjusted citizens . That these heinous crimes are committed by everyday people Just having a bad day . Kind of chilling if that's the professional take on this. So I am grateful for the AO forum keeps me from going postal before noon most days..:budo: |
In a nut shell people are no longer held accountable for thier actions. If we saw chain gangs cleaning ditches, fed bread and water with a meat meal at night and returning to a concrete cell, a blanket and bathed once a week with a high pressure hose along with the worst crimes dealt with to a severity of a hanging...I tell you what these individuals would make better choices before commiting a crime!
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The problem is that the Loony Toons doing the mass shootings often don't care about the punishment and off themselves anyway.
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Approximately 1 in 4 people suffer from some sort of mental illness. That would include members of our families, friends, hunting partners etc. etc.
The problem is the stigma attached to admitting something is not quite right and getting the help that is needed. How many among us would admit to feeling depressed or anxious knowing full well that a diagnosis of mental illness, regardless of how minor, could affect our ability to own firearms? Left untreated people often isolate themselves and the problem worsens. Suicide is often the result however we all know too well what else can manifest. We have to find a way where the 1 in 4 people suffering from mental illness are not lumped in with the 1 in 20 that have serious mental illness and more importantly the 1 in 1,000,000 that go on a killing spree. It is not mental illness that is the problem. It is how our society deals with this common ailment and the social embarrassment associated with the admission of having a problem. When we make broad statements like "mental illness is the real culprit here!" we are inadvertently sentencing more of our friends and family to a life time of needless suffering and isolation. Over 30,000 people kill themselves (approx 10 per 100,000) each year in the USA. 90% of these people have a diagnosable disorder that is often very treatable. Mental illness is the number one disability in Canada and the USA yet most would rather admit they have herpes than deal with a mental health issue. "Criminal insanity" and "mental disorder" should not be interchangeable in a conversation about violent crime anymore than "heart burn" and "heart attack". They are simply different conditions. |
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I heard that too, and I think the ''Expert'' was trying to defend the legitimate autism/downs syndrome/asbergers types, and forgetting about the insane...
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There can be NO health without COMPLETE health, physical, emotional AND mental health should be viewed, and treated, as ONE! How many people here have their Mental Health First Aid certificate? Regards, Dave. |
In a nut shell people are no longer held accountable for thier actions. If we saw chain gangs cleaning ditches, fed bread and water with a meat meal at night and returning to a concrete cell, a blanket and bathed once a week with a high pressure hose along with the worst crimes dealt with to a severity of a hanging...I tell you what these individuals would make better choices before commiting a crime!"
I hear this kind of thing a lot. I wonder what the recidivism rate would be with these policies in place as opposed to the way things are done today? How many enter our legal system and turn their lives around after one or two visits? |
Part of the problem maybe that some psychaitrists are out of touch with reality themselves. A normal person does not shoot people as a general rule wouldn't you think? :thinking-006:
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Stumbled on this little bit last night, in a book I'm reading on Child killers. Top disciplinary problems identified by high school teachers. 1940 talking out of turn chewing gum running in the hall cutting in line dress code violation littering 1990 drug abuse alcohol abuse pregnancy suicide rape robbery assault. Gotta admit society went wrong somewhere. Grizz |
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Society has to change. Till that happens we are only going to go faster and deeper into the hole we are in now. |
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I guess you'd have to start by defining what is a mental disorder. Easy to say 1 in 4, but does being a clean freak or a compulsive picture straighter mean you're mentally ill ? Grizz |
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Addiction is another common disorder. The AAers like to say "admitting you have a problem is the most important step". Everyone is afraid to admit they have a problem because of the stigma attached so anonymous is the only way the program works. Imagine how much more successful the program would be if people didn't have to keep it to themselves like a dirty little secret. They are just suffering from an illness after all. It is time we realized how common mental illness is and stop treating the 25% of us that suffer like second class citizens. Treatment very often completely cures an individual or at least makes their life manageable. The first step in making this problem go away is to stop stereotyping people with an illness. The vast majority of people with mental issues are of no threat to anyone but themselves. The only reason they suffer and escalate is because of society's ignorance of the problem. |
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Why do we need to be so soft on everyone? You think I don't have bad days? You think I don't get bloody frustrated? There are times when I think of doing terrible things to people, you know why I don't? Because I know better. This is the same line of thinking that leads to all of the entitlement that we have going on. You think is kind of issue didn't exist years ago? It did, we told the slow kid in class to suck it up and try harder, not made a special class too make sure that they felt adequate. Guess what the world needs ditch diggers and honest labourers as well. Why does everyone get to complain to someone about the problems they have? What happened to being accountable for your actions and sucking it up and dealing with your own reality? I know let's medicate everyone to the point they cannot function without their pills! Great idea, then when they forget to take them and go off the deep end we can blame the fact that they were dependent on the meds to level them out. No consequences, no problem. Go cry to someone else. There are people who have problems that deal with them every day and function just fine without meds or talking to someone about their feelings. |
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You will never meet a more "sink or swim" type of conservative than I. This is not about people slower than others or too lazy to get on with life. We are talking about people with an illness. If you think that having a bad day or having violent thoughts and not acting out is somehow controlling mental illness you are sadly mistaken. We all have bad days and we all have crazy thoughts go through our minds. These people suffer from a physical illness that affects their mental well being. Their thoughts are not normal. Many are extremely intelligent and very successful. Your view of the subject is like telling a cancer patient to get off that radiation and chemo crap and get a job. You like many others simply don't understand. You are right in saying that the vast majority of mental illness is no big deal and you are also right in that sometimes a blunt dose of reality is all that is needed. That was the purpose of my post. Someone says "mentally ill" and you are thrown into a group with sociopathic murders. People do not seek help because they do not want this to happen. Would you like to loose a family member to a disease that is curable because they are too embarrassed to come forward. If you have a daughter you better learn about eating disorders. •One in 200 American women suffers from anorexia. •Two to three in 100 American women suffers from bulimia. •1.1% - 4.2% of females suffer from bulimia nervosa in their lifetime. •As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa. •Studies indicate that by their first year of college, 4.5 to 18% of women and 0.4% of men have a history of bulimia. You say go cry to someone else? The number one cause of disability in the USA and Canada is mental illness. Do you realize how much this is costing you? Do you realize how you would feel if you were to loose a loved one to mental illness? Whether through suicide or a victim of violent crime I would bet money your view of meds and therapy would change rather quickly. If people could get treated for these common disorders without ridicule (like in your post) we could allow the 1 in 4 to lead a more normal life, identify the 1 in 20 that are becoming seriously ill and unable to cope, and more importantly get the truly insane off the streets before they start killing people. Please educate yourself on this important issue. I guarantee you there is someone in your life that could use some support and understanding. |
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