Buying a gun across the border from a friend
how much work is involved in doing this my friend has a cutsom rifle he wants to sell me but hes from New York state...has anyone ever done this before?
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Get ahold of clay from Prophet river he could probably import it for you I would imagine it would cost between $200-300 He brought in a couple rifles for 2 buddies of mine. Clay is great to deal with.
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how long would this whole process take... I did something really stupid today I put a down payment on a new christensen arms rifle which is my dream rifle, but my friends rifle is a way better built custom from Hart.
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just talked to him its between 2 and 4 weeks
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go with the 6 month reply, you won't be let down ,lee
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Too easy
Post Canada or American postal service, Ground Freight only
Rifle must be registered to your name prior to shipping fax registration to your friend.. Ship unloaded locked firearm in locked case with registration, receipt of sale and both you and your buddy's contact info... just to be safe. Done No custom fee Call customs canada if you dont believe me. Pierre |
I knew a guy that had his friend come here hunting on a hunter host deal they set up. He was from Michigan and when he left to go home he left the gun here. He then sent the info in to get it registered no problems. Seemed to be fine with the authorities but I am not sure. This was 2 years ago and maybe things have changed.
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There are lots of things that are fine with the Canadian government that aren't fine with the U.S. government. Any U.S. citizen mailing, shipping or leaving a gun in Canada without the proper U.S. paperwork could face some very serious Federal charges. I have no doubt that guys have done it without jumping through all the hoops but they broke the law.........
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clay is awesome....takes 2-4 weeks usually...handguns take a bit more time. easy peasy with clay helping you.
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As for them matching the serial numbers up I would be surprised if the U.S would share their info with the Canadian side to find out if it was left here without the proper import papers. I don't know how they would track that info and I would imagine it would never get caught. Don't they have to register them at the airport when they bring them in anyways? Would it not then just transfer the info from the registered owner after he had it registered to the new guy registering it? I don't know all the info but I thought this subject was interesting. I once had some inlaws in the U.S with guns they wanted to get rid of and thought it would have been too much to deal with so I told them to sell them down there. |
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And then when you've got off the phone with them, call the US State Dept (go figure, not ATF or Dept of Defense). They will tell you that it is illegal to export firearms without proper documentation and approval. If your friend is caught shipping it out of country, or if you're caught at a checkpoint prior to crossing the border, he or you will be charged. You would lose the firearm and most likely your vehicle as well will be seized. Internet advice is worth what you pay for it so be careful with something as serious as this. Advice like that offered above can be dangerous. As mentioned, check with someone who handles these exports on a regular basis (Clay is a prime example) and they'll give you the straight goods without the guesswork. |
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The official regulations are below.: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...-eng.html#P008 |
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I think you may have misunderstood the explaination a bit but either way, the paperwork was basically invented to satisfy the U.S. export requirements and that paperwork has absolutely nothing to do with our firearm laws. It's strictly to do with trade. Yes an American must register a firearm at the border but there's nothing in the Canadian firearm laws that prevents him from transfering it to a PAL holder. I think you are missing the point, it's the U.S. that has the onerous regulations regarding exportation. The Candians just want the GST and duty if applicable. You are confusing firearm laws and trade laws. |
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I can see if someone tried to ship it over then there may be problems but if they were to legally bring it over it would be hard to prove anything really as far as I see it. I imagine it happens more than we would like to know anyways and I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble trying to register a gun that was brought over this way. I guess the safest way is to get a guy to import it for you for the cost anyways. |
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Moral of the story is that getting a gun into Canada from the U.S. is a hassle because of the U.S. government...not the Canadian. Not sure I can simplify this any more for you. |
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I would have to think requirements for a temporary export of a firearm from the U.S. would differ from the requirements for a permanent export. The person leaving the firearm behind after a hunt would have broken some U.S. regulations.
Here is another resource for exporting firearms from the U.S. if a person is closer to central Canada. http://www.questarinternational.com/exporting.html |
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I am also having Clay import a handgun for me,and he informs me that the American paperwork has been complete for months,and the Canadian paperwork is what is holding up the importation of the gun.Apparently the Canadian authorities do care enough to have delayed the import paperwork for so long. Since I am by no means an expert on the topic,I am trusting that the information Clay is providing me with is correct. |
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As for the rest, I've explained it enough times that I'm sure everyone else gets it and since you rely on Clay, no need to waste any more bandwidth on explaining it further. Quote:
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 View Post
But in order to pre register a firearm that you are importing from the USA,would you not have had to complete the export paperwork beforehand?If so,you can't forget about the export paperwork if want to legally import the gun. NOPE...You just need the make, model, barrel length and serial number Remember that this is only possible due to the amnesty that the Harper government keeps puttin in place. If the amnesty weren't there you would be charged for having an unregistered firearm. Let the Liberals back in and they will undoubtedly plug that loophole. |
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Seems there is very little required for a U.S. citizen to transport a firearm out of the country. Might be easy to bring across a rifle and never return with it.
Traveling outside of the U.S. - Temporarily taking a firearm, rifle, gun or shotgun abroad for hunting purposes Published 01/23/2003 06:35 PM | Updated 05/14/2010 04:03 PM What is the process for a traveler temporarily taking a firearm, rifle, gun or shotgun abroad for hunting purposes? Customs and Border Protection (CBP) advises travelers to register their firearms prior to taking them overseas to expedite clearance upon their return to the United States. The traveler must physically take the firearm to a CBP office and have a CBP Officer record the serial number and description on a CBP Form 4457 Certificate of Registration and stamp it. The CBP Officer will give the traveler the Certificate of Registration form to present upon their return to the United States. |
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