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artie 01-24-2015 07:53 AM

High River Mould
 
So for you mould experts I see the mould has come back to some of the houses that were submerged. So why did it come back? Should any wood that has had mould on it be discarded. I ask as I am thinking of stripping my fifth wheel and get the mould out of it that came from a leaking rubber roof.

Cowtown guy 01-24-2015 08:05 AM

It is likely back because the moisture wasn't properly removed before covering it up.
Step one in your RV would be to ensure the leak is fixed properly. Then and only then should the proper mold removal be done.

bubba 96 01-24-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by artie (Post 2709785)
So for you mould experts I see the mould has come back to some of the houses that were submerged. So why did it come back? Should any wood that has had mould on it be discarded. I ask as I am thinking of stripping my fifth wheel and get the mould out of it that came from a leaking rubber roof.

Was on the news last night, they are now tearing down houses...

Freddy 01-24-2015 09:06 AM

In the restoration industry there is a 72 hour window to start the drying process when there is water damage. Some wood esp. osb is like a spinge once ot is wet mold is kinda permanent. After the 72 hour anything can happen if rug ,drywall , insulation is not removed so that the wood starts to dry.
Now if there is no access to the houses till after three weeks from the flooding due to rcmp barricades due to the gun confiscation.
There where thousands of people waiting to start the cleanup but where denied access.
This whole thing just bothers me.

mich 01-24-2015 10:29 AM

The easiest way to explain the Hampton is incompetence and impatience. People who do not know how to deal with a flooded house and the hurry to put the houses back together before they were ready. Those houses should have sat for several months after they were cleaned and dried to be able to monitor them.... they weren't.

Cowtown guy 01-24-2015 11:03 AM

Didn't hear about the Hamptons issue until just now.

Trap30 01-24-2015 11:53 AM

Hamptons
 
Wasn't Hampton's the area that flooded in the middle of the night, after the first flood when the river came back into town from the North?

If I recall it was one of the hardest hit area's with some houses being almost completely submerged. I talked to one guy who works for the Town of High River and lives in the Hamptons. He showed me an aerial picture of his house. Parked in front of his house was his 1 ton truck and 5th wheel unit. All that could be seen was the air conditioner of his 5th wheel, the rest was under the mirky water.

Miracle, that no seniors, handicapped, hard sleepers were found floating inside their houses. There was just the two that got swept away out in the streets.

Since most electrical panels, gas furnaces and such are in basements I wonder if it would be dangerous to have people going into their houses to clean without any power, then when the power/gas is flicked backed on and the basement is still full of water..would that cause a problem? Seems there was one house in the northwest part of town that blew up. Now i know the mounties have been blamed for that but I wonder if it is coincidence that when the power and gas were turned back on in the part of town that the house blew up.

After that, I bet Atco and Fortis would not turn the power/gas on until every house had been checked. I wonder how they got in?

I wonder if the 300 or so people that did not evacuate and stayed in High River were all upstanding citizens? I wonder if any of them would have looted any homes? I wonder that since the mounties were escorting the power and gas guys in the houses anyway for the aforementioned safety hazards, that it was best to take the firearms that were in plain site with them and return them to the owners when the owners were allowed back into town?

Seems reasonable to me that any firearms owner that keeps his firearms in his basement, normally under lock and key would move them to higher ground knowing there was a flood happening. Likely not much room or time to load up the kids, wife, dog, cat and guns when it all happened so quick...

Lots to ponder on this situation...

dmac 01-24-2015 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 2709844)
In the restoration industry there is a 72 hour window to start the drying process when there is water damage. Some wood esp. osb is like a spinge once ot is wet mold is kinda permanent. After the 72 hour anything can happen if rug ,drywall , insulation is not removed so that the wood starts to dry.
Now if there is no access to the houses till after three weeks from the flooding due to rcmp barricades due to the gun confiscation.
There where thousands of people waiting to start the cleanup but where denied access.
This whole thing just bothers me.

So, in your mind, the RCMP caused the mold problems? Interesting.....

mich 01-24-2015 12:59 PM

the main feeds to the town were shut off, some were turned back on before the individual houses were capped

All power and gas was shut off from the outside of the houses, no need for utility workers to be inside.
All of our cleaning was done by generator(for lights) and gas pressure washers, none of the services were used until our homes were gutted, cleaned, and made safe by electrician/plumbers/gas fitters.

The town was patrolled, there was no need for any homes to be entered unless requested by the owners. The people that stayed in were known by the Gestopo

beltburner 01-24-2015 01:50 PM

it took a year for our basmt to dry properly. There was also that amount of time needed for the surrounding ground to dry. Even though a guy can get the humidity down in a basmt; it will come back unless the concrete can dry.
Lots of folks got their basmts back together right away but the moisture keeps coming through the concrete and then the mould starts again. Mould is everywhere and will only grow when there is a suitable environment for it

Matt L. 01-24-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dmac (Post 2710026)
So, in your mind, the RCMP caused the mold problems? Interesting.....

They certainly didn't help the situation.

Trap30 01-24-2015 06:56 PM

Atco/fortis
 
[QUOTE=mich;2710029]the main feeds to the town were shut off, some were turned back on before the individual houses were capped

All power and gas was shut off from the outside of the houses, no need for utility workers to be inside.
All of our cleaning was done by generator(for lights) and gas pressure washers, none of the services were used until our homes were gutted, cleaned, and made safe by electrician/plumbers/gas fitters.

The town was patrolled, there was no need for any homes to be entered unless requested by the owners. The people that stayed in were known by the Gestopo[/QUOT

Atco/Fortis did have to go in and shut of individual feeds before turning the main back on....there's still the question of the chance of granny being unable to get out and found floating in the kitchen for a week...probably wouldn't have been good to come back to..glad it didnt happen but the potential was sure there.

sask 01-24-2015 07:48 PM

[QUOTE=Trap30;2710376]
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Originally Posted by mich (Post 2710029)

Atco/Fortis did have to go in and shut of individual feeds before turning the main back on....there's still the question of the chance of granny being unable to get out and found floating in the kitchen for a week...probably wouldn't have been good to come back to..glad it didnt happen but the potential was sure there.

Except they knew where all the grannies were before then....just sayin

justsomeguy 01-24-2015 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beltburner (Post 2710070)
it took a year for our basmt to dry properly. There was also that amount of time needed for the surrounding ground to dry. Even though a guy can get the humidity down in a basmt; it will come back unless the concrete can dry.
Lots of folks got their basmts back together right away but the moisture keeps coming through the concrete and then the mould starts again. Mould is everywhere and will only grow when there is a suitable environment for it


This is key. Watch the Holmes on Homes episode where he went to HR and talked about how long it took to REALLY get the moisture out of your basement walls, and how the guy across the street who had a quick turnaround was going to be screwed in a few years. Sadly it looks like his predictions are coming true, was hoping he was just full of BS.

KBF 01-25-2015 07:14 AM

We had a very minor flood compared to some. Sump pump quit and came home to enough water to just soaked carpet. That took at least 3 weeks of dehumidifiers running to pull moisture out.

walking buffalo 01-25-2015 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by artie (Post 2709785)
So for you mould experts I see the mould has come back to some of the houses that were submerged. So why did it come back? Should any wood that has had mould on it be discarded. I ask as I am thinking of stripping my fifth wheel and get the mould out of it that came from a leaking rubber roof.


This particular variety of mold infecting High River is called Stachybotrys politicus manipulus.

First identified by Aristotle, the only known remedy is a thorough cleansing of the legislative body by means of isolation and gassing.

twofifty 01-25-2015 06:11 PM

a bad idea when
 
everyone wants it done FAST.

3 years ago I did a flood restoration to a simple 1 room/1 bath 25'x25' slab on grade bachelor apartment. It took a lot of convincing for the owner to agree to let the 4 industrial extractors and 6 industrial fans run well beyond what he thought was good enough. These rental units were costing him about $600 per day...and the owner was paying the whole bill: no insurance.

The machines ran 4 days longer...the owner later thanked me for looking after his interests.

I can imagine an insurance company would pressure a restoration contractor to cut costs at every turn, to the homeowner's detriment.

Anyhow, post a major flood event, don't many homeowners put their fleshly restored homes up for sale? Once the home is sold, a mould bloom is not the (original) insurance company's problem. The problem simply gets passed on to new players, who then get to litigate the matter at additional costs to society.

twofifty 01-25-2015 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 2710974)
This particular variety of mold infecting High River is called Stachybotrys politicus manipulus.

First identified by Aristotle, the only known remedy is a thorough cleansing of the legislative body by means of isolation and gassing.

Yeah, funny how the HR flood claims were bogged down in govt. offices, till the Opposition Leader crossed the floor. Now the bureaucrats have found that their requests for more documentation, their rules and their objections were unfounded after all. ;)


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