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Flight01 12-11-2017 07:23 PM

Sharp tail
 
Does anyone know why sharp tail season closes earlier than spruce and rough grouse?
Not that it matters... it’s the season. But just wondering. See some big ol birds but they are safe from me till next fall

goldscud 12-11-2017 07:28 PM

Lower population numbers need to be protected.
Birds tend to group up and become pretty vulnerable in November

Flight01 12-11-2017 07:42 PM

YEah. Definitely see more flocks or coveys but if it’s that low shouldn’t it be closed ?

Bub 12-11-2017 08:03 PM

It is closed in every single zone around our parts. Have to travel quite a bit for a hunt. Luckily, I don’t like the taste :)

shedcrazy 12-11-2017 09:05 PM

Sharps use to get hammered in Nov during the deer season as they group and sit in trees (easy limits with a .22). I would assume there is very limited targeted pressure in most areas in Oct so the harvest is sustainable then.

Ossie 12-11-2017 09:21 PM

To my knowledge shedcrazy is right. Years ago someone figured out that few people actually had focused hunts for sharptails, but also that too many were shot by deer hunters as a secondary to deer hunting. Since they closed the sharptail season once deer season starts, the sharptail have rebounded incredibly. Even in a down year, the numbers are there for the sharpies to rebound.

marlin1 12-12-2017 08:04 AM

definitely see them flock up in November up to a hundred strong . Had a good shoot for them in Oct. this year .

Battle Rat 12-12-2017 08:11 AM

The numbers are getting higher but no where what they were in the early 80s.

robson3954 12-12-2017 11:06 PM

As mentioned above. Seems nov 1 they’re everywhere holding tight lol

Pioneer2 12-13-2017 07:14 AM

On the other hand
 
You have to wonder why ruffs are open so long?

oilngas 12-13-2017 07:22 AM

I would guess that habitat loss has limited the population for say the last 50 years, and therefore the shorter season to reduce the overall harvest.

calgarychef 12-13-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioneer2 (Post 3688009)
You have to wonder why ruffs are open so long?

I think hunting doesn't actually affect ruffle populations

FCLightning 12-13-2017 09:35 AM

If I recollect properly it was the Drumheller F&G club that sent in the resolution to have the season shut down at the start of Big Game season - their reasoning was that the populations suffered greatly from deer hunters using them as target practice. I think it was proposed 3 years in a row before it was passed at Annual Conference and then put to the Gov't as a recommendation from AFGA - and we have had it ever since.

FCLightning 12-13-2017 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef (Post 3688059)
I think hunting doesn't actually affect ruffle populations

Back in the 80's and 90's when I was involved with the system, general consensus from the Fish and Wildlife is that hunter effort is self limiting in response to the normal population cycles of Ruffed Grouse and management intervention is not really required.

covey ridge 12-13-2017 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Flight01 (Post 3687056)
Does anyone know why sharp tail season closes earlier than spruce and rough grouse?
Not that it matters... it’s the season. But just wondering. See some big ol birds but they are safe from me till next fall

I think that sharp tails are in a very fragile situation because their habitat is shrinking. Where you find them their numbers are good but they are very sensitive to over hunting. I have read that if too many birds are removed from a flock or area the remaining birds that rely of numbers to survive the winter are at a disadvantage.

Where I hunt them the numbers are good and I could limit every time out but I usually only take 2 or 3 and I only do that a couple time during the season.

A couple of land owners that give me access, tell me that when a group of 4 hunters report that they all got their limit, those guys will never get permission again.

When I tell a landowner that we saw lots of birds and had a good time but only took two each, I get told "glad you had a good time and come back anytime."

I think that a month is time enough to hunt this great bird.

Big Grey Wolf 12-14-2017 10:23 AM

Interesting observation on Sharp Tails on trapline. Finding good numbers in cutblocks, seems their actually is one positive for one species of game after trees are gone, besides mice.

Versatile 01-16-2018 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flight01 (Post 3687069)
YEah. Definitely see more flocks or coveys but if it’s that low shouldn’t it be closed ?


Growing up pheasant season was 4 weeks long as well. Now look at it.

JoshT 01-23-2018 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf (Post 3688837)
Interesting observation on Sharp Tails on trapline. Finding good numbers in cutblocks, seems their actually is one positive for one species of game after trees are gone, besides mice.

Agreed, we've spotted them in the cutblocks as well.


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