224 Valkyrie - anyone here jumping on the wagon ?
 

While originally intended for the AR modular rifle platform, this cartridge has definite potential in bolt-action rifles too.
Has anyone here got a rifle chambered in this new round, or is it too new still (to be available in Canada) ?
Supersonic to 1300 yards in a .22 caliber projectile seems enticing for those looking for flat-shooting varmint rifle.
Savage has made an AR-type rifle for this new cartridge, and JP Enterprises has made one too (they're premier AR-platform makers).
Quite a few Youtube gun reviewers are talking about it, MAC and 22 Plinkster being 2 notables.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wzxtZL5nqxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff54rCQQq-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usjOPOvbmmI&t=3s

http://accurateshooter.net/pix/valkvid17004.jpg

http://accurateshooter.net/pix/valk22401.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cZz4GT-o27E/maxresdefault.jpg

Looks like a great cartridge that's following the modern design trend of shorter case and heavy bullet for caliber. This falls along the lines of the 6.5 Creedmoor and .338 Norma in terms of proportions and allows the heavy bullets to be seated out of the case where they belong.

I expect it will be supremely accurate. I'd consider one in a bolt gun if I had money to burn but I have the 6.5 bug right now.

To the experts
 

Is just a .22 cal. version of the 6 mm bench rest cartridge?

Do the bullet weights overlap with the 6 mm?

What do you think the powder is in that case?

Last, and just because I'm curious, how many cartridges can send their bullets that fast and that far.

I guess I have one more, is this something new, or is it just another rifle that does things that other rifles that we have in the safe do just as well?

Thanks guys

I don't believe that 6BR is a round commonly available on store shelves, is it ?
Unlike the rest of the comparable .22 caliber cartridges (.223 Rem/22-250/22 Nosler), nor is it a cartridge that factory rifle makers chamber many guns in.

I think the point is, it's a .22 caliber cartidge that easily fits Stanag mags but outperforms any other factory .22 ammo available.
And it has ballistics that are similar to much larger cartidges (6.5 Creedmoor), but with half the recoil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeMpd2qAY94

Depends on cost/availability of brass. Seems like a legitimate RD that may be fun and a bit easyer on barrels.

Still won't touch the 22-250. If you're putting it in a bolt rifle anyway you're not going to gain anything except hard to find brass. If you want something more efficient go with a .22 br or .22 dasher, 6br brass is pretty easy to find.

Look at the base diameter. That wil limit conversions of bolt actions as the bolt face is a different than what's available .

My 1-7" twist 22-250 will walk all over that.

Just another cartridge built for the AR platform, it really has no other reason to exist.

That's exactly my thought. It's just a re-invented 22-250 to fit in an AR

220 Swift is still the speed king. Short fat case is the new trend.....not sure why, especially with an AR platform.

6.8 SPC boltheads are not impossible to acquire for a bolt-action. I know for a fact PTG makes them.

That's a custom barrel... Apples to oranges.

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This seems like the typical response around here... "Well my ______ is better than your ______."
No objective criticism, just "mine is better" or other negative comments.
It's no wonder I don't come around her very often, or am reluctant to start threads. It's like Jr-high all over again.
I thought CGN was bad, you guys make them look good...

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But that's just it! Debating the "perfect" rifle is part of being a gun nut. It's not just here that the arguments exist many an evening at the range has been spent arguing the best firearm for such and such a task.

So is the 22 nosler built for the AR platform. IIRC, doesn't need a different bolt face.

I think i will play with heavy bullets in a fast twist 223 before taking on a new cartridge. I haven't used the 223 rem to its potential yet. Still a cool idea for a cartridge, hopefully it can gain some traction.

A 90 grain bullet properly seated from a .22-250 would stick way out and might not fit a normal length mag. It would also require a longer throat and tighter rifling.

The Valkyrie is made for the longer, heavier bullets seated at the correct depth for the mag.

I think a buddy said he had ordered a reamer. And, was going to look at the base dimensions to see if a Barnard .473 “S” could be used. If the extractor reaches, there would be possibilities without a lot of fuss?

It's not apples to oranges but you've got to read between the lines. I'll spell it out.

Yes it's a custom barrel. Last I checked I don't have a 224 Valkyrie in my safe either. If a guys buying or building a fast .224 to "defy gravity" I'm thinking one should go with something near the top of the performance heap. If it's not commonly available, easily built, components aren't readily available or for any other reason proprietary I'm probably not interested.

The 224 Valkyrie boasts 34.5 grain h2o case capacity

22-250 has 43 grain case capacity.

.224 Valkyrie says 3k fps with a 75 grain load.

My 22-250 will spit 70 grain vld's at 3450 fps.

I haven't shot heavier then 70 grain bullets yet so I cant compare a 90 grain load but with nearly 25% case capacity my 22-250 will always shoot a comparable bullet faster. I can also go to nearly any gun store and buy ammo for an affordable price (like that would ever happen...).

I can find 22-250 brass anywhere, I had a 22-250 with a shot out barrel and I know shooting heavier bullets is an advantage in a lot of scenarios. Custom barrels are expensive but not as expensive as setting up another rifle. Hence, I'll say again, a 1-7" twist 22-250 will walk all over this new round. The hype on the internet isn't enough to sway my opinion.

If it came out in a non restricted, accurate, semi auto platform that wasn't available in a better round and brass was readily available and affordable for the .224 Valkyrie I might change my mind. I wouldn't go chasing a donor bolt action rifle and pay to have the bolt face modified and a Valkyrie barrel screwed on as it offers nothing that other rounds don't do better. At this point it's a non starter.

Why do we tinker with new designs ... because we can. And who knows, maybe one of these will yield the consisency of the 6PPC or the speed of the 220 Swift or the ......
Lots of popular cartridges out there (like the 22-250)....but, the ones that keep getting mentioned in the equipment lists in the precision game come from a pretty short list.

Sierra just released a 95gn 22 cal bullet. Just some food for thought.

Makes things interesting
 

This makes things interesting

https://www.sierrabullets.com/store/...dia-95-gr-HPBT

A modern varmint from ATRS shooting that bullet would be very interesting indeed.

https://youtu.be/Bd2z_okB-lQ

This video explains the WHY
https://youtu.be/Ff54rCQQq-I

Requires a 1-6.5 twist. That’s something you don’t see in a 22 cal.

The 20 EXTREME is designed to fit a normal length Mag and throated for the 90 Holds enough H 1000 or Retumbo to get about 3200 fps in a 28" tube. An 8" twist should not blow the bullets up at that velocity.

Partimehunter has the reamer.

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What is the expected barrel life I wonder for the different types of shooting?

Is there a 22 cal gain twist to 6.5":1 barrel available?? Pushing a 90 gr bullet at 3000 fps is quite likely to be hard on the throat of the barrel if the bullet is being twisted at 6.5"

2018 Shot SHow
 

Here is a video about the 224 Valkyrie from this years shot show

https://youtu.be/FVkmvZVMsQA

Good Comparison to the 22-250
 

This is a good comparison between the Valkyrie and the 22-250

https://youtu.be/vkHqm4V6Z6s