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45-70sapper 10-30-2014 09:29 PM

125gr vs 100gr
 
I was thinking about switching from 100gr field points and broadheads to 125gr to add a little more weight. I know it'll change my FOC and spine but my arrows are still good for that (maxima red 350s). Just wondering if there's any other differences between 100gr and 125gr or if it's simply just a little more weight.

338Bluff 10-31-2014 12:20 AM

how long are your arrows?

Mike_W 10-31-2014 04:53 AM

Depending on broad head they could have a longer profile or a larger cutting diameter.

L.O.S.T.Arrow 10-31-2014 07:39 AM

:D For some it does wonders as it adds weight forward...
using a same brand they usually are close to length and may be 1/8 wider cut...

POI [point of impact] is also usually close...at 20 yards minimal for most 30yd may be an inch 40yd two inch etc

Best thing to do is practise with them to see how they fly at all distances you shoot.

It will add to penertration due to added weight of arrow...

I use them for that reason on elk

Neil

Lefty-Canuck 10-31-2014 07:43 AM

I made the switch from 125s to 100s for a bit more speed (I know it isn't much). I have yet to have an issue with penetration getting complete pass throughs on the last two elk I have shot using grim reaper heads...one bow was a 60lb Destroyer 350 and the other is a 70lb Invasion both using the same 385gr arrow...125s put that arrow at 410ish.

LC

L.O.S.T.Arrow 10-31-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck (Post 2598525)
I made the switch from 125s to 100s for a bit more speed (I know it isn't much). I have yet to have an issue with penetration getting complete pass throughs on the last two elk I have shot using grim reaper heads...one bow was a 60lb Destroyer 350 and the other is a 70lb Invasion both using the same 385gr arrow...125s put that arrow at 410ish.

LC

:D I agree...both the 100gr and 125 gr broadhead put in the exact same place, under exact same conditions on any animal is most likely going to end up in the exact same results...

My arrows just fly best with the weight forward aspect.

Neil

SonofDixie 10-31-2014 07:54 AM

I have seen a 200grain broadhead. The grizzlystik line. What would the benefits of that be?? And what would be required to shoot a 200g?

Lefty-Canuck 10-31-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow (Post 2598535)
:D I agree...both the 100gr and 125 gr broadhead put in the exact same place, under exact same conditions on any animal is most likely going to end up in the exact same results...

My arrows just fly best with the weight forward aspect.

Neil

FOC is definitely something to keep and eye on and field test out to all distances you might shoot.

LC

L.O.S.T.Arrow 10-31-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SonofDixie (Post 2598544)
I have seen a 200grain broadhead. The grizzlystik line. What would the benefits of that be?? And what would be required to shoot a 200g?

:D Heads like that are generally used by traditional long bow/recurve shooters for deep penetration at short range...used with a super heavy arrow like a 600 gr arrow...

Also Used for bone busting heavy/dangerous African game like elephant...

Neil

Bowhntr4life 10-31-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W (Post 2598439)
Depending on broad head they could have a longer profile or a larger cutting diameter.

x2. More weight= more blade diamater and surface area.

SonofDixie 10-31-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow (Post 2598575)
:D Heads like that are generally used by traditional long bow/recurve shooters for deep penetration at short range...used with a super heavy arrow like a 600 gr arrow...

Also Used for bone busting heavy/dangerous African game like elephant...

Neil

Would it be out of place to use it in a compound? What would be the results.

L.O.S.T.Arrow 10-31-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SonofDixie (Post 2598680)
Would it be out of place to use it in a compound? What would be the results.

:D They can be used with compound ...again with heavy arrow also used for bone busting heavy/dangerous African game like elephant..

Would result in a slow hard hitting arrow...would drop faster so close range is desired...but they should fly great!

Here in Alberta an 125gr or even the 100 gr will take any animal we have including grizzly with approrite well tuned weight arrow...

Neil

45-70sapper 10-31-2014 11:25 AM

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338Bluff how long are your arrows?
I have a 28" draw with 30" arrows

ThreeD 10-31-2014 08:12 PM

I switched to 100's a several years ago...and rather quickly switched back to 125's. My arrows just fly better with the additional FOC, plus I use heavier fletchings (5 inch Shrinkwraps...my ugly cookie never liked the Blazers).

Who doesn't like extra KE and penetration.

calgarychef 11-01-2014 01:25 AM

Broadhead
 
All you're talking about is 25 more grains that ain't squat and you shouldn't bother with it. If you. Want real penetration and are willing to put in the time with some experimenting then got for 250 or 300 grain heads but really that's for deep penetration for game that doesn't exist in alberta....

ThreeD 11-01-2014 08:47 AM

25 extra grains will give you an additional 5 foot- lbs of KE, given the same arrow speed.

Alberta Bigbore 11-01-2014 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck (Post 2598525)
I made the switch from 125s to 100s for a bit more speed (I know it isn't much). I have yet to have an issue with penetration getting complete pass throughs on the last two elk I have shot using grim reaper heads...one bow was a 60lb Destroyer 350 and the other is a 70lb Invasion both using the same 385gr arrow...125s put that arrow at 410ish.

LC

I passed through my moose with 85 gr reapers. :)

petew 11-01-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeD (Post 2599685)
25 extra grains will give you an additional 5 foot- lbs of KE, given the same arrow speed.

If you add 25 gr, the speed will be slower .

LA_bowhunter 11-03-2014 08:49 AM

I would add weight to the insert rather than the head. Gives the same result and 100 grain broadheads are more readily available. Higher FOC is beneficial for arrow flight and energy at impact. 2 very desirable results with very little effect on arrow speed.

L.O.S.T.Arrow 11-03-2014 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LA_bowhunter (Post 2601891)
I would add weight to the insert rather than the head. Gives the same result and 100 grain broadheads are more readily available. Higher FOC is beneficial for arrow flight and energy at impact. 2 very desirable results with very little effect on arrow speed.

:D This is best suggestion ...weighted inserts are easy to install...some will even screw into back of existing insert in different weights...can also be stacked for any weight you desire

http://search.3riversarchery.com/arc...-Arrow-Inserts

Neil

newfie bullet 11-04-2014 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow (Post 2598575)
:D Heads like that are generally used by traditional long bow/recurve shooters for deep penetration at short range...used with a super heavy arrow like a 600 gr arrow...

Also Used for bone busting heavy/dangerous African game like elephant...

Neil

I watched a guy from texas this fall kill a bull moose with 210 grain grizzlystik broad heads on grizzly stik arrows with a 70 # hoyt . At 75 yards went clean through rib cage and broke off rib on the way out. never did find the arrow. he could put 3 arrows in a 6 inch bulls eye at 100 yards all day! not something I would try , if I didn't see it happen I wouldn't believe it
newfie bullet


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