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More detail this time.

I'm going by success rates, NR are almost a 100%. Residents not so much.

The number of Bowhunters ESRD calculated to have hunted Mule Deer in 2011 was 8,130, not 16,716.

I question confidence levels on this number from ESRD for these reasons. ESRD is assuming that 100% of bowhunters that purchased a General Mule Deer licence actually bowhunted for Antlered Mule Deer with this tag. I highly doubt that is the case as people may not have hunted Mule deer at all, or used the tag in WMUs that do not have a draw for Antlered Mule deer. It seems to me that ESRD has chosen an unrealistic but simple method to show the highest possible number of bowhunters hunting Antlered mule deer.


From ESRD

Last year I bought a bow hunting permit and I bought a mule deer licence just in case....I didn't focus on hunting mule deer at all mostly moose and elk.

So did I hunt mule deer with the bow last year? No but I had a tag just in case....

I think the number should be derived from a survey after season and not based on tag sales....

LC

Looks like another error on my part. Sorry WB is correct that the number is 8,130 not the 16,716.

Why should archery hunters get a general tag every year when a rifle hunter needs to wait 4-5 years for a tag in the same zone? Lets make it fair for all residents. The non residents are the ones who should have to wait there turn. Put the outfitters tags on a draw as well.

With archery success rates compared to rifle success rates would show you the fair factor. I know where I hunt for mule deer it is pretty
Much a guarantee for rifle and maybe if youre lucky every couple of years with a bow.

ya around here everyone thinks they are an archery hunter many many mule deer and elk get shot at outrageous distances and are not recovered so the success rate might be low but the mortality rates are high. I have seen this going on for some years now and it makes me sick to my stomach!I started bow hunting 5 years ago and I have taken only two mule bucks with the bow and never lost any! If you cant get within reasonable range then you dont have the skill to hunt with archery tackle!

you guys keep throwing the success rate down our throat. It is actually all about opportunity. Deer hunter and walking buffalo to name a few are advocats on resident hunter opportunity and equality. The should be the first one to point out that hunter opportunity would be equal if it was put on draw. The opportunity to hunt is severely lopsided if bow hunters have the opportunity to hunt mule deer every year whether they are successful or not, they still get the opportunity.

Que...deer hunter

A greatly REDUCED opportunity for ALL Residents.



BTW APOS is still requesting no reduction in Non Resident opportunity if they are with a paid guide....

can you answere my question in my last postor not?

Is success rate more important than opportunity when it comes to bow hunting mule general.

Deer Hunter , thanx for the stats , tell me if I'm reading this wrong .. 22 resident licences and 58 outfitter tags in zone 326 .. am I mistaken ? How does that figure out to 10% tags allowed for the outfitters ?

Perhaps the people that want the outfitters gone are just a little bit jealous of the guided / non-residents success rates. Remember if you folks just worked a little harder you could bump up your success rates too :)

I believe the percentage of people that "want the outfitters gone" would be so minute it wouldn't be worth talking about. That is not even close to the issue here. The issue is Resident Opportunity and the imbalance of Outfitter Allocations in regard to that. But you knew that....right?

Your response is beyond lame.:sign0161:

Thank you Deer Hunter and Walking Buffalo for all your effort in bringing these statistics forward. I would hope the outcome will be fair for both Residents and Outfitters.

The 2011 max allocation summary is the same for 2008-2012...

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Here is the outfitter allocations for 326 for all species provided to me. And the resident/nr draw stats for 2012.

Remember that the outfitter Policy is at a max of 10%, min of 3% depending on resident demand etc... of the TOTAL HARVEST, not tag numbers. So apparently the outfitters in 326 must have a very low success rate... they need a lesson from Torkdiesel, like the rest of us :)

Funny how outfitters, by Policy, get 3-10% of total harvest by SMA, whereas the total harvest is made up of all users (read big number). Resident mule deer bowhunters however go on draw after they exceed 15% of the WMU harvest, whereas the total harvest in this case appears to to exclude outfitters and landowners #'s (read smaller number)...

Maybe its time to send out this big excel spreadsheet so others can view it for themselves?

No I can't. You didn't ask a question.




? Is this a question ?

If so, Please ask again with some understandable context....

Sore loser
 

Jealousy will get you nowhere!Too bad for you I hunt in the 200 zones and I will not have to apply for this evil draw.I will get to reduce the mule deer numbers again this year so there will be at least one that you wont be able kill with your gun-that's if ya get drawn!Good luck to ya!

If in your opinion its all about opportunity, why does a non-resident alien have the opportunity to hunt mule deer in Alberta every year, while residents have to wait for a draw?

The same reason you can hunt in other provinces or states every year while residents there have to wait for a draw. Outfitters get so many tags, hunters buy tags, hunters hunt. It's been like that for a long time.

In my opion it comes down to the choices people make. You can either choose to work hard, make money and afford to hunt all the animals you want to or you can complain about not being able to for the rest of your life. This is the world we live in today, equal opportunity is only a pipe dream. Tough to hear sometimes but that's life.

Lol, theres alot to being an informed and responsible user of the resources, lord knows i struggle as well. It looks like you own a bow, congratulations slim lol. I pray next time you discuss archery you will do it with a little more tact. I appologise if my post was confusing, its my wierd brand of fun. Go kill some deer, kill em all, SRD will love you for it

My Alberta looks a little different, hopefully for the majority of hunters as well. My choice is, my wildlife is nor for sale to the highest bidder with an outfitter as the beneficiary of our wildlife.

Well everybody should have something they believe in pikergolf, I myself am a realist. Outfitters take a small piece of the pie, that's not going to change. The rest of the world revolves around money, this will too.

Sadly you are probably right.

Well, I can't hunt Mule Deer, Elk or Antelope in Saskatchewan and respect their decision to provide the opportunity to their residents first and foremost. I choose to advocate for a similar system here and that my choice.

You can hunt ELK and Mule Deer with Native outfitters in Sask, I'm not sure about antelope but I wouldn't rule it out. And you can certainly advocate for anything you want, that is still free as far as I know.

judging by your name this is going to be quite simple for me to explain. I believe by having the opportunity to go to Canadian tire every year and buy a mule buck tag and hunt said mule buck every year on a general tag is quite the opportunity that unfortunate rifle hunters did not get that luxury. If I hear the word success rate again I'm going to lose it. It is all about opportunity to hunt, not whether your talented enough to actually kill something with your bow or not. You choose to hunt with that weapon so deal with the equality that will soon present its self. It is about time that residents are all on the same playing field.


Que..non resident attack!!

Success rate, success rate, success rate......:sHa_shakeshout:

I agree the residents should not play second fiddle to outfitters and non-residents....its what we have said all along :)

LC

you misunderstand. But I'm sure you will interprut it which ever way you want.