Pipeline Question
 

So with all the environmental problems that are raised with placing a pipeline across the country, how would these problems be resolved if the pipeline was purchased by indigenous people? Thankyou.

I wish the indigenous people would invest more money into pipelines and gas and oil in general. Would be a lot less hassles and red tape in the future.

Funny how the bands that do invest and support the pipelines and resource extraction are muted by the governments and media. And it is not just a few. I bet their voices might change the minds of many naysayers.

Where is Turdo and Nutley praising the ones that do?

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.:thinking-006:

Yes you are correct I believe.

anybody ever drive thru some of the reservations. Lucky if they can run a service station for more than a month not alone a pipeline.
And yes we don't need to pay for it twice.

Couple that with a bit of hostility and the taps could be turned off anytime they wanted? They’d have us by the knackers.

If they live in such poverty and despair and we have to support them on the rez, how could they possibly buy a pipe line let alone a pipe. Don't worry, they have they're deep pockets of wealth and none debt that are deeper than our country will ever have with the tax grabbing politicians there to suck us dry. Ya they also treat their own, like our government treats our own less fortunate. Maybe they will let us build a refinery on their land if we pay for it and they control it and reap most of the benefits. Hell of a deal

What environmental problems?

Some bands are active in the oil biz, Onion lake has their own oil field maintenance crews and trucking fleet they drilling new pads for steam a injection process and working with Husky to put a new pipeline from Onion lake to Wainwright. The profits are put into the community a new school a water treatment plant with water piped into the residential areas they've been very successful providing jobs to the band.

Onion lake oilfield
https://www.google.com/maps/search/o.../data=!3m1!1e3

Well one of the biggest problems would be oil spills,nobody can guarantee that there will be no spills.

No thank you for me,nothing personal.If I get into this I will be banned for telling the truth.

The only thing good to come from this deal are the one time votes for the Liberals. This is why politicians swing from trees. Why aren’t politicians swinging from trees?

Oil spills aren’t the bogeyman that some people make them out to be. Pipelines don’t fail often and spills aren’t that hard to remediate and generally
don’t affect a very big area. Spills into waterways are obviously a different story.

There a few FN who run great businesses. Ft. McKay and Osoyoos bands come to mind. They hold a candle to no one, and give quality and value. Don't dismiss the idea of this being viable.

Oil spills? Isn't that why you employee competent people to monitor the lines by visually inspecting weld joints and stations, every day!! Quads, 4x4's, side by sides. Or the high tech drones now. Ya it's countrywide so every province has a job to do. If you build it you have to do your diligence.

Ok guess I don't know (as usual) should have searched further. Was told Pipe lines are all underground. Say what? Really? If so, then why? Would make more sense to be above to be inspected (visually). But I guess out of sight out of mind until the inevitable leak. Leave it above, minimal underground and if have to cross over it, do what they did for wildlife, built a bridge to go over. Banff National Park over or under pass for wildlife.

Would be fun swathing and combining with multiple bridges in the field....:sHa_sarcasticlol:
With all the pipelines we have, we would be grid locked!

There is an article in the Calgary Herald about Vivian Krause's presentation to the Native Investment Conference at the Grey Owl Casino.
She pretty much told them if they bought the pipeline they would be buying the US lead and well financed Anti Oil/Gas/Pipeline movement along with it.

The type of organizations like Tides and Corporate Ethics should not be allowed to pour money into such protests.

Education is very much lacking on this site.

First Nations Settlement Trust.

Google is your friend.

You're welcome.

:bad_boys_20:

Yup, next question......

Wow just simply wow ..... I ahhhh no forget it.....:scared0015:

How much do you think is in this fund? It isn't trillions as some people are spouting, in fact it is less than the 4.5 billion that was spent on the pipeline. And if the entire amount was spent on the pipeline, and the pipeline did not get built for years, the natives would probably accuse the government of stealing their money.

This data is not current, but it does show that the amount is much less than some people are claiming.

http://media.knet.ca/node/22268

Far less environmental issues with pipelines than rail.
In 2017 (last year stats available) there were over 1000 derailments in Canada (of course not all spilled oil). In the same year there were 70 pipeline spills.
The average spill volume per incident is 12000L for pipeline and 70000L for a rail spill.
Now consider that in 2012 30000 barrels a day were shipped by rail...and since the Transmountain stalled that has increased to 200000 barrel a day.
All this info is available from the Transportation Safety Board website...but never seems to be published my mainstream media.

Trust fund or no, Canada would pay for it and not own it. Did Trudeau buy it to give it to indigenous interests I doubt if he could think that far ahead but what a great way to offload the problem and bask in the media glow

Nailed it. Lol

A lot more than twice, the pipeline would be used as leverage every time the owners wanted more money from the government.

This is toooo optimistic!

This really is a media driven issue 100%. Most people in BC support the PL and many first nations do too. But the media has decided to seek out any and all protesters and give them 90% of the air time in an attempt to foment unrest and create the illusion that far more disagree than polls would suggest. In their own opinion pieces they have also pushed all the negatives and risks of O&G over and over and over again without mentioning any of the positives that everyone in modern society enjoys. Its just a complete whitewashing of most of the facts and numbers and I hate to say it but it is in essence Fake News. Withholding facts to sell a extremely bias narrative is just as bad if not worse than outright lying.

As far as politicians go. They are largely controlled by the media as the media largely controls the message that gets out to the public. If the media wants to villify a politician for not supporting the ANTI stance they can easily sow the seeds of that politicians demise. Politicians act accordingly and so we have what we have today.

Another thought
 

As overheard in a coffe shop. Have you ever seen a train roll into a mountain?