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crazy_davey 05-07-2023 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat (Post 4633457)
You shoot for the stars, hope the best for you and yours.

Politics and religion sure gets people all fired up.

Now I gotta get back to that dam dirty floor and float around a lake or two.

Sucks when the shoe fits, eh…

elkhunter11 05-07-2023 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gman1978 (Post 4633456)
Ok let’s start with gun control and carbon tax!

And throw in our oil and gas industry, and unionizing family farms.

pikergolf 05-07-2023 06:27 AM

Left vs right. Government reliance vs self reliance. What can the government do for me vs I wish the government would get out of the way. We need to coddle the weak vs we need to equip the weak to look after themselves. If one really wants to see what relying on others looks like a few generations in just look at todays youth. So afraid, so reliant, so needy. Not their fault but the parents who relied on the "experts" for advice on raising them. We need to get back to relying on ourselves and teaching our children to rely on themselves. The government is not your friend, your mom or your dad, and they certainly do not care for you as an individual. Good times create weak people has never been so evident.

And yes I understand this is a sweeping generalization but it does reflect most of our society.

CanuckShooter 05-07-2023 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4633442)
If the NDP wins the election, Alberta loses.

That's what I'm thinking, IF the ndp liberal lite's win Alberta well then trudeau might actually have a chance of staying in office......and that scares the hell out of me.

skidderman 05-07-2023 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by roper1 (Post 4633278)
Truly amazed that voters think the NDP offers anything!! Certainly Prentice et al, needed a reset. The Conservatives were in power so long they weren't listening. I'm also amazed at Danielle's ability to insert both feet past her molars. WTH? Anyhow, a UCP majority by one seat will probably give us the best governance possible.

Well said

ram crazy 05-07-2023 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pittman (Post 4633454)
Lots of opinions here but not much content.

How about we compare the actual platforms between our two girls so folks here can make an educated decision?

Blindly standing behind one party or another based on perceived ideologies isn't really an educated choice.

Ok, Smith is willing to put it in writing to not raise taxes. How is she going to do that you ask. With a strong economy and using our natural resources. Now Nutley she just says she won’t raise our taxes. Now how she she going to do that you ask. Is there any money left in the Heritage Trust Fund after the last time she was in power? I think it will be impossible for her to not raise taxes as she doesn’t like using our natural resources (not even remotely putting up a fight for the pipeline when she was in power). How many companies will pull out of Alberta if the NDP get into power? How many doctors will pullout of Alberta? One last question is Phillips out of rehab yet?

Smoky buck 05-07-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pittman (Post 4633454)
Lots of opinions here but not much content.

How about we compare the actual platforms between our two girls so folks here can make an educated decision?

Blindly standing behind one party or another based on perceived ideologies isn't really an educated choice.

The NDPs past proposal for the bighorn is a huge negative for me if they choose to push the idea again for starters

The NDP support the carbon tax. I am opposed in taxation to collect funds from the public in attempt to make things unaffordable without creating a viable alternative

I also have seen nothing but Notley talk crap against opposition instead of actually offering an alternative solution to the problem. Yes you hear they will provide funding for different sectors but no real plan for these funds. Oddly the UCP is also is planning on increasing funding to theses sectors but they actually mention at least some direction on where the funding is going

Really both parties are running on promises of improving healthcare and education. Funny thing is often the UCP is offering a higher increase to these sectors than the NDP. So neither party is ignoring theses issues and plan to increase funding but one just wants to throw money at the system well the other is looking at changing how theses services operate well increasing funding. Personally I support the vision of improving how theses sectors operate well increasing funds vs just throwing money at a failing system

There are things I don’t like about either party but for my personal life and values the UCP is the better option. I have plenty of experience living under both parties from jumping between Alberta and B.C. since I was 18 and have a good idea what to expect from either one

I could continue with more reasons why I will make my choice and I am not doing so blindly but you are so firmly stuck on your views it’s not worth typing

Vote for whoever fits your values, lifestyle, and personal needs that is what I am doing

cody j 05-07-2023 08:36 AM

If you love Trudeau, you love Jugmeat and you love the direction Canada is heading, you will love Notley

59whiskers 05-07-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pikergolf (Post 4633488)
Left vs right. Government reliance vs self reliance. What can the government do for me vs I wish the government would get out of the way. We need to coddle the weak vs we need to equip the weak to look after themselves. If one really wants to see what relying on others looks like a few generations in just look at todays youth. So afraid, so reliant, so needy. Not their fault but the parents who relied on the "experts" for advice on raising them. We need to get back to relying on ourselves and teaching our children to rely on themselves. The government is not your friend, your mom or your dad, and they certainly do not care for you as an individual. Good times create weak people has never been so evident.

And yes I understand this is a sweeping generalization but it does reflect most of our society.

X2

6.5 shooter 05-07-2023 09:52 AM

Personally, I can think of 82 BILLION reasons not to vote NDP plus TWO big reasons in Ottawa.

PS: just to put 82 billion dollars in perspective, that is 82 TOP of the line new hospitals. Most people have no idea how much the Nutley shut down the provinces fossil fuel industry rhetoric is actually going to cost.

But then again some don't care, they are to busy riding the selfish train, or is it kayak?

theoldguy 05-07-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by -JR- (Post 4633251)
I walked into the Physiotherapy last month to find out that we do not get 3 free visits anymore threw health care .....Thanks You Danielle smith ( United Conservatives )

That’s not the situation here. My wife just had 3 and probably will get 1 more. Free!

58thecat 05-07-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy_davey (Post 4633462)
Sucks when the shoe fits, eh…


good thing about shoes is they come in all sizes keeping things interesting and not one size fits all.


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58thecat 05-07-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoky buck (Post 4633513)
The NDPs past proposal for the bighorn is a huge negative for me if they choose to push the idea again for starters

The NDP support the carbon tax. I am opposed in taxation to collect funds from the public in attempt to make things unaffordable without creating a viable alternative

I also have seen nothing but Notley talk crap against opposition instead of actually offering an alternative solution to the problem. Yes you hear they will provide funding for different sectors but no real plan for these funds. Oddly the UCP is also is planning on increasing funding to theses sectors but they actually mention at least some direction on where the funding is going

Really both parties are running on promises of improving healthcare and education. Funny thing is often the UCP is offering a higher increase to these sectors than the NDP. So neither party is ignoring theses issues and plan to increase funding but one just wants to throw money at the system well the other is looking at changing how theses services operate well increasing funding. Personally I support the vision of improving how theses sectors operate well increasing funds vs just throwing money at a failing system

There are things I don’t like about either party but for my personal life and values the UCP is the better option. I have plenty of experience living under both parties from jumping between Alberta and B.C. since I was 18 and have a good idea what to expect from either one

I could continue with more reasons why I will make my choice and I am not doing so blindly but you are so firmly stuck on your views it’s not worth typing

Vote for whoever fits your values, lifestyle, and personal needs that is what I am doing


Well said!


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The Cook 05-07-2023 11:27 AM

The ndp tried and almost succeeded in trying to shut down our local gun and archery club. We now have a 25 year lease in place thanks to ousting our undercover ndp exec.

AI 6.5 05-07-2023 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cody j (Post 4633520)
If you love Trudeau, you love Jugmeat and you love the direction Canada is heading, you will love Notley

Based on some of the comments here and in other threads it's painfully obvious that several here must love the Turd and Jugmeat and are quite content in the direction our country is heading. Mind boggling!

crazy_davey 05-07-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AI 6.5 (Post 4633698)
Based on the some of the comments here and in other threads it's painfully obvious that several here must love the the Turd and Jugmeat and are quite content in the direction our country is heading. Mind boggling!

Mind boggling to say the least…

59whiskers 05-07-2023 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4633487)
And throw in our oil and gas industry, and unionizing family farms.

If the NDP wins they will police small family farms to pay family/friends to do seasonal/occasional work which is out of question for many of these operations. My Son In-laws Family is getting by barely and cheaper labor is in short supply. I am retired and have experience with equipment and a class one. I am happy to help farmers and spend my time on the farm and I don’t need the money. We do not Need the NDP communists running small family businesses into receivership.

huntinstuff 05-07-2023 06:04 PM

Yup

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

AI 6.5 05-07-2023 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by huntinstuff (Post 4633703)
Yup

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

You are right but it appears some here just can't grasp that.

tirebob 05-07-2023 06:21 PM

Just stepping in here with a warning that everyone is allowed their opinion whether you agree or not, but be very careful how you start address each other regarding those opinions if you want to keep threads open and not end up suspended.

skidderman 05-07-2023 06:48 PM

I heard something said some time ago. Not sure the source. He or she said there is no such thing as left and right but rather it is right or wrong, one or the other.

FishOutOfWater 05-07-2023 07:11 PM

Lesser of two evils or not...
 
I don't understand how anyone here could support any Party other than the UCP ? Stop dwelling on past, worry about what she/they are doing now and not what happened in 2014.

Both the Libtards and the Dippers want to end the O&G industry, and stuff this (completely unfeasible) "Green Energy" down our throats !

Not to mention that they both want to end the very industries this forum represents, shooting & hunting. And they're halfway there FFS !

:snapoutofit:

raab 05-07-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by huntinstuff (Post 4633703)
Yup

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

I'm not too worried about it. Let's remember that freedom is not just a word for our neighbour, but a way of life. This was never more apparent to me as a cross border trucker then during covid. They won't let this country fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc


Moving on the sooner people figure out these elections are about what world order you want to live under the better. You either believe in the US led order that was passed down to you and you can preserve for your children. Or you believe in the Chinese led order you got a taste of with the Covid lockdowns.

You can vote for the NDP party that is filled with communists like Anne Macgrath, Rod Loyola, and Rachel Notley or you can vote for the party who fights communists like Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin and gives you the freedom to live the life you want with the UCP.

https://youtu.be/jIUGdL-wAUk

https://youtu.be/tnMyyubGFUE

https://www.timescolonist.com/opinio...in-you-4668809

pittman 05-07-2023 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoky buck (Post 4633513)
The NDPs past proposal for the bighorn is a huge negative for me if they choose to push the idea again for starters

The NDP support the carbon tax. I am opposed in taxation to collect funds from the public in attempt to make things unaffordable without creating a viable alternative

I also have seen nothing but Notley talk crap against opposition instead of actually offering an alternative solution to the problem. Yes you hear they will provide funding for different sectors but no real plan for these funds. Oddly the UCP is also is planning on increasing funding to theses sectors but they actually mention at least some direction on where the funding is going

Really both parties are running on promises of improving healthcare and education. Funny thing is often the UCP is offering a higher increase to these sectors than the NDP. So neither party is ignoring theses issues and plan to increase funding but one just wants to throw money at the system well the other is looking at changing how theses services operate well increasing funding. Personally I support the vision of improving how theses sectors operate well increasing funds vs just throwing money at a failing system

There are things I don’t like about either party but for my personal life and values the UCP is the better option. I have plenty of experience living under both parties from jumping between Alberta and B.C. since I was 18 and have a good idea what to expect from either one

I could continue with more reasons why I will make my choice and I am not doing so blindly but you are so firmly stuck on your views it’s not worth typing

Vote for whoever fits your values, lifestyle, and personal needs that is what I am doing

Pretty sure my post doesn't say anything about my personal political viewpoint. I can say I have noticed many longstanding conservative voters who have great concern with voting for DS given her repeated blundering.

Anyhow, I was looking for some objective data on political spending in AB and found this article - interesting read. I don't know much about the Fraser Institute but they say they are independent and non-partisan.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...t-spending.pdf

elkhunter11 05-07-2023 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pittman (Post 4633728)
Pretty sure my post doesn't say anything about my personal political viewpoint. I can say I have noticed many longstanding conservative voters who have great concern with voting for DS given her repeated blundering.

Anyhow, I was looking for some objective data on political spending in AB and found this article - interesting read. I don't know much about the Fraser Institute but they say they are independent and non-partisan.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...t-spending.pdf

And as it states, Notley spent more in 2017, than was spent during any covid year. That is saying a lot, considering the extra demands that existed due to covid.

raab 05-07-2023 07:39 PM

"As much as Ms. Notley would like to ink some deals while she's in Beijing (she is also visiting Japan on the trip), she is also there to learn more about how the People's Republic is managing a rather remarkable energy transformation. China has begun to undertake the kind of transition from fossil fuels to clean-energy alternatives that Ms. Notley and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau talk about in a mostly futuristic sense because it is still considered heresy to mention such things in Canada's oil capital."

I wonder where the climate crap is coming from that will handicap North American energy, and give a benefit to you guessed it... China

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle34759813/

raab 05-07-2023 07:45 PM

The Notley/Trudeau alliance sending dollars to dictators while taking food off the table of Albertan families since 2015.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...VQ&oe=647FBD42

pittman 05-07-2023 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 4633735)
The Notley/Trudeau alliance sending dollars to dictators while taking food off the table of Albertan families since 2015.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...VQ&oe=647FBD42

Different than DS giving tax dollars to big corps?

raab 05-07-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pittman (Post 4633736)
Different than DS giving tax dollars to big corps?

Is it different then Notley giving tax dollars to her friends? I don't think the party who wants to cut taxes for those making less then $60,000 is the problem. The party wanting to raise taxes on that demographic so they can appoint their university elite friends to government may be. I know it's a radical idea but let's lay off the high priced management friends of the NDP, and put more government service workers on the frontlines to improve our healthcare and education systems.

MountainTi 05-07-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pittman (Post 4633736)
Different than DS giving tax dollars to big corps?

Foreign dictators don't keep many people working in Alberta....not that hard to figure out ;)


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