Riflescope for sheep hunting: multi crosshair reticles
I'm planning on picking up a tikka t3 lite in 270WSM. Trying to decide what scope to put on it.
I like higher power scopes for long distances (~14X)...and I like multi crosshair reticles like the Zeiss rapid-z 600 with windage points (I'm not a fan of turrets for hunting). Besides the Zeiss conquest rapid z600 (4X14X44) and the Leupold VX-3 (4X14X40) with the varmint or B&C reticle, are there any other scopes with similar reticles? (preferably more in the $400 range...and not the $700-800 of the Zeiss and Leupold) Bushnell's DOA reticle does not have the windage points. |
The 4.5-14x44 Conquest is not available with the Z600 reticle, but it is available with the Z800 reticle.
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Minox ZA5
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A Rapid Z 800 is much better suited to a 270WSM.
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I really love my Nikon Monarch 4-12x42mmSF. It has a BDC reticle and with the online software is totally customizable based on your elevation, temp, bullet type & caliber and bullet speed (a few other factors too) to give you multiple aim points on your reticle. It has a side focus instead of the old type on the big end of the scope so it's super quick to adjust your paralax acc to yardage and goes out to 1000yds so plenty of adj. there. The low light performance is outstanding, almost as good as a Ziess but I only paid $529 for my Monarch at Cabelas in Edm. Very very very impressed with this scope (I bought two lol) and if I want to put in on my .22 or my 7RM or even the 45-70 Govt all I do is go to the Nikon website and use the Spot-On program to find out what my POI will be for each reticle feature and at what magnification. I found the program to be very accurate as well. The scope is packed full of features and doesn't weigh a ton and you can still use medium height or even low mount rings to keep a slim profile. They have a model up from mine that's a 4-14x44 I believe and it wasn't much more than the one I got. - Squeek
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It's obvious that you would like to think that the Minox is the same as the Conquest, so that you can feel that you can get the same product for less money, but apparently, that isn't the case. |
Why dont you go with a BDC... I think it is more accurate than any hold over... You just dial to the yardage. The other way in the heat of the moment you could possibly use the wrong hash mark. Also I dont like a real busy scope just a fine cross hair.
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x2 on nikon monarch...i am looking at the 5-20 x 44...
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[QUOTE=elkhunter11;1214078]I use turrets on target rifles, but I tend to avoid them on hunting rifles due to the extra time that it takes to dial turrets. In some situations, you have plenty of time, but in other situations, you don't.
for me I dont need one till past 400 yards... All guns have a 300 yard zero.. |
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I'm a bit confused how you can think the Minox reticle is the same as the Rapid Z. Other than they both have multiple croshairs, that's about where the comparison ends. The Minox hash marks do not represent fixed yardages nor is the reticle adjustable for a variety of loads nor is windage indicated. While some may consider the Rapid Z cluttered, others consider it a very useful tool that provides a wide variety of fixed and precise aim points for a wide range of yardages and wind conditions. I don't look at that as cluttered...I look at it as useful in precisely placing long range shots.
In your side by side comparison, did you focus the Rapid Z reticle precisely for your eye or did you just look through one that was handed to you. It's another feature that sets the Rapid Z apart from many other reticles. |
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As far as when I just did the side by side, yes, I did focus in the scopes. I played with them, as well as a few others from Leupold and Trijicon for a while. For the money I would still by the Minox. I prefer the simplicity of the rectical on the Minox over the Zeiss. I prefer to hit the range and see where my bullets are hitting. I'm not a competition shooter, I'm just a hunter. I can see how using the numbers on the rapid z can definatly help, but for the extra $300-$400 it wouldn't be worth it for me. I'm in no way an authority on optics, I'm just giving the OP an option to look at. |
Thanks
Thanks for the input guys.
As with anything, there's lots of choices and lots of opinions. Now I just need to go raid the piggy bank! |
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Sneer, I hope you take a look at Minox, read some recent reviews on them, alot of people who make a living off of doing optic reviews speak very highly of them. |
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I don't care what label a scope wears either, but I do need to trust a scope, and I can't trust a scope manufacturer that started out with so many issues in such a short time.Until they prove that they have a reliable product, I will leave the testing to other people. |
Can anyone fill me in on the minox ballistic reticle? Is it adjustable like the Zeiss to match your cartridge or is it a "dumb" one like a mildot?
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Don't think anyone is saying the Minox might not be a good scope in its price range but saying it's identical to the Zeiss just insn't true in so many ways. I think that's where you went off track. It may well be a good option for the OP who doesn't want to drop a grand....but identical to a Rapid Z....definitely not. Perhaps there's more reason why the Zeiss costs more than just the name stamped on it. You never answered my question about focusing the reticle on the Rapid Z.
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For my sheep rifle, I use a 7MM WSM savage 16, accutrigger, with a nikon monarch 5x20 with the BDC, and I love it. Great in lowlight cond, and great zoom. Easy to use, and I even purchased an app for my iPhone from Nikon, for $5, and it gives you a lot of bullet drift, drop, POI, etc. Good luck, it's a tough decision to make.
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ill avoid the silliness on scope talk and just politely point out that i dont think its even neccessary. ive never had any issues getting into bow range of sheep. they arent a particularly bright or wary animal. in fact....the next one i kill will be with my bow more than likely.
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