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Originally Posted by horsetrader

For someone that is interested in and is training in fisheries biology you have a very negative mind set scientists are support to have an open mind and have the ability to look beyond the problem. You better stay in school and change your career choice .

Once again you don't know me. Been a long time out of school in the real world.

If you are that interested and trained in fish biology I should not have to tell you how fish can get introduced in to ponds and lakes.....But I willThere are birds such as cranes that fly from one pond to another. They could carry fish eggs on their feet and legs, or beak. This way new ponds get fish without being stocked. Also, if there is a ditch coming from another pond or creek the fish can travel this way.
Here are more opinions and answers from other FAQ Farmers:
Flooding, that temporarily connects one or more bodies of water.
Walking, some fish, like the walking catfish, and the northern snake head can travel short distances on land. During unusually wet seasons bodies of water may be fairly close, allowing them to "walk" over.
Man, since man came on the earth, we have done the majority of stocking of landlocked ponds and lakes.

Yep all ways that natural species of fish spread. Once again how did perch get in to those lakes designated as put and take trout lakes? There is an experiment that failed didn't it?

The only reasons you have given for not wanting bass in alberta is...1) you don't want a new species in Alberta ....hmmmm very scientific .
2) They tried it before and it didn't work....hmmm very open minded.....

So you are saying that bass will have zero impact on native fisheries? I think we have had a poster that has said it is ruining salmon and trout areas in the maritimes. My reason for not wanting them is they are a non-native species and we have no idea what impact they could have on the environment. I see no environmental impact assessment and no studies.

As a personal opinion the bad out weighs any perceived good. I would not support the introduction of another non-native species to this province.

I have not bullied any one or called anyone names or used improper language ..."The bucket brigade with always find a way to fvck it up."......
.."And no $**t sherlock" very nice...

Come off the high horse there trader. You belittle anyone that doesn't share your viewpoint.

As far as a Bass as a predator fish it has as many fish and birds that prey on it as it preys on. You have as much likely hood of keeping it in one pond or lake as you do any other fish. You should know that.....?

Still a predator that native fish populations have not had the experience evading. And EXACTLY you have the same likely hood of keeping it in one pond or lake as any other fish. Just like the fish that should not be in Lake Sundance and Hasse and Cummings and the host of others that have been ruined as a trout lake by the bucket brigade moving fish.

Maybe you should read a little closer.....Sundancefishers...Quote.....
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As a past fisheries biologist...I am somewhat torn. They did try in Island lake...some hold outs...but mostly gone. They tried in Wabamun...but no luck. I am not sure where they could try but given the lake of lakes in Alberta...you would have to impact the local predators...pike and walleye to let them establish...then protect them with regs as they would be both susceptible to over harvest and also susceptible to habitat stresses.

Still...they have very limited range and we are outside of it. I would not worry about them moving around like say channel cats...

In a limited fishery...it would be highly utilized and add tremendous value as a fishing option.

I voted for supporting...

Sun

That is a scientistic answer even though it failed once you do not close your mind. And I do value Sun option and agree it would not be an easy task and possibly not viable at all BUT and it's a big but the question was ....WOULD YOU SUPORT THE INTRODUCTION OF BASS IN ALBERTA...not will it work this we don't know we know last time it was not the best results but times change. An open mind is the only way to learn......

As far as the last I did not say any where or any time that I was superior then everyone. I only said I was smarter then YOU. Perhaps this is not true but you gave me no reason to think different. I'm not sure how old you are very young I'm guessing but if you are interested in fisheries and biology talk to Sundancefisher maybe he can open your mind a little. You have a strong determination perhaps it can be channeled a little more.....Have a good day

Every word was true in Sundance's post. He himself said that its been tried in more than one lake and failed. You would have to severely impact native fish population and then and even then the fish would be highly susceptible to stressors like harvest and habitat.

He said he would support the idea and I said I would not support the idea. If you look at the scientific method both out comes can come from the same set of criteria.

As for how old I am I am 38yrs old. I have a diploma in Environmental Science with a major in Fish and Wildlife. I also hold a certificate in Conservation Law Enforcement along with many other certificates. I do have an understanding in ecology and environment. You can not predict what a species will do once introduced. I am sure the well meaning folks that stocked snakeheads and asian carp didn't think that they would become an ecological nightmare. I just don't think we need to take the chance here in Alberta.

Our lakes and waterways are under too much pressure as it is to keep trying to add species. It never works out in the end. Lets try to fix or at least keep the fish we have instead of adding more pressure.