Shoot a pretty plain Jane '06. Savage 111 and she likes the store bought winchester 180 grain with the lead tip and sight it in a couple inches high at 200 and down they go. 400 yard is still just a slight hold over but 500 is almost 4ft drop but it still hits hard out there. The 165 in my cheaper gun shot a little loose and erratic but the old 180 groups nice and puts your animal down aswell.
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