So.... To continue on with my original post...
Remember my little comment about starting loads?
This is why we start at the minamum load and work up, my Lee manual gave me a starting load of 41 grains and a max of 45 grains, at 43.5 grains recoil was pretty stout with an ejector print on my case heads and at 44 grains I was getting a sticky bolt.
But that's ok because things were looking pretty good around 43 grains (3 round group middle left), now that I found a promising charge I will try a slight variation of +\- .2 grains and a few other tricks...