You know what? I couldn't read all the way through this... I'm in a sh*tty mood and this is just pizzin' me off more...
I did skim through it and found nothing but garbage. At NO point did ANYONE cite legitimate studies or factual evidence (Langmann, the one exception by Rocky, Thanks). News articles? Seriously? Right... 'Cuz the people that write/report for any form of MSM have unbiased views. A lot of these "stats" that people are citing are skewed at best. They all report differently. Some places DO NOT report a murder/violent if it is unsolved (I wish I could remember where I found that little tid-bit).
I have a few notes that I'd like to mention that I didn't notice prior:
1. Calling it "Gun Crime" is retarded... It implies the gun committed the crime. C'mon, it's like saying "knife crime" or "fist crime".
2. Comparing murder-by-gun from country to country doesn't really depict the whole picture making it inaccurate, therefore invalid. In order make a valid statement, Violent Crime as a whole should be reviewed. Again, every country reports this differently. That being said, you must compare nations equivocally.
It looked to me like HunterDave doesn't like this guy, but I do. As far as I know, Mr. Lott has more credentials... Not to mention more factual evidence...
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Originally Posted by Excerpt from John Lott
The most recent violent crime data for England and Wales is available here and for the US here. One important thing to note first is that the rate that crimes are reported to police is much higher in the US than England and Wales, and that difference will make England and Wales look relatively better than they actually are. But still if one uses violent crimes reported to police, US in 2011 there were 1,203,564 and in England and Wales 821,957. The US doesn't differentiate Violent crime with and without injuries, but in England and Wales 368,647 violent crimes involve injuries and 453,310 do not. Given that the US has about 314 million people and England and Wales 56 million people (a ratio of 5.6 to 1), 368,647*5.6 = 2,064,423, or still about 72 percent greater than the number for the US. I have often pointed to the International Crime Victimization Survey as a better comparison because it deals with the different rates that crimes are reported and it tries to make sure that crimes are defined the same way across countries. As expected, that measure makes England and Wales look even worse compared to the US.
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The UK (England and Wales) has a violent crime rate 72% than that of the US?!? How is it that a nation of 56 million citizens and a near TOTAL gun ban compared to another with 314 million, where guns are abundant and readily available, has such a staggering and frankly, disgustingly high violent crime rate?
Not only that, the UK has the toughest gun laws and is the most violent country in the EU. Huh?
3. I'm tired of this "assault rifle" Bullsh*t. Talk about flogging a dead horse here... AR-15, modelled after the M-16, functionally identical to a Ruger mini-14 or a Ruger 10/22 or any other semi-auto hunting/target/sporting rifle that exists to date.
4. "You don't need it". You don't need a lot of things. ATV's, snowmobiles, cars that exceed the speed limit or even a set of damn golf clubs. You don't need a diesel pickup. Or a collapsible fishing rod (as they are "easily concealable"). As a matter of fact, no more modern fishing rods. Back to fly fishing or spear fishing, the only REAL way to fish (harpoons for the larger ones). Your wife doesn't need to scrap book. You don't need skis or a snowboard. A camo compound bow for hunting? Nope!
It's a hobby for most and a lifestyle for others. Who are YOU to say what I can or can't have? I lifted my truck, no one person or the government has told me it's illegal or immoral (guess what, it's even black).
Why is it that guns are the only consumer product that is so heavily monitored and restricted? People will say "it's a matter of public safety". Well, if that's the case, vehicles of ALL makes and models should be treated the same as guns. Afterall, they kill more people than guns do... Wait... Oh, the PEOPLE are to blame? How it is that the person behind the wheel is responsible?
As per Stats Canada: Motor Vehicle deaths in Canada between 1979 and 2004 are ~99,583. By comparison, as per the RCMP: Firearms related deaths in Canada between 1970 and 1996 are ~37,399. Where is the public out cry for stiffer restrictions on motor vehicles? There is no where near the same concern for vehicles as there are for guns. What have they done about vehicles? SAFETY TRAINING! That's right! Driver's ED! Why is it that with vehicles we have to train and concentrate efforts for educating the person driving the vehicle? Then people go on to blame guns for gun-related crime/violence? Maybe if the government monitored and restricted vehicles more... I mean... "If it saves ONE life"...
Here is what I propose:
a) ALL Diesel pickups are restricted for towing ONLY as they are designed. In order for you to do so, you will require an ATT (Authorization To Tow). Your diesel will only be permitted to traverse designated AND approved routes.
b) ALL Diesel cars are now Prohibited (for no other reason than they are compact)
c) COMPACT cars are now Prohibited.
d) ALL Vehicles that can achieve higher rate of speed than 110KPH are Restricted to Approved Race Tracks. You will require a Diesel pickup, trailer and ATT to transport your Restricted Vehicle to and from an Approved Race Track. Transportation will be along the MOST DIRECT route possible.
e) Any Vehicle that can accelerate from 0-100KPH in 9 or less seconds are Restricted to Approved Drag Strips... Yada Yada... I'm sure you get my point...
5. "Paranoid", "Tinfoil Hat", call it whatever you want. Fact, "Gun-Grabbers" don't care what it is, it fires a projectile. They'll keep nipping at gun rights (privileges for some) piece by piece until they are all gone... Then what?
6. Also, it genuinely saddens me that no one can trust their fellow human being and feel that heavy government legislations are a necessity. Let me tell you More Restriction = Less Freedom.
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
Everyone is willing to give up just a little more freedom for the "FEELING", the "ILLUSION" of safety.
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A few individuals who are sick, in every sense of the word, perform evil acts (face it, that's exactly what it is) on good people. All of a sudden due to the ONLY commonality between these people and people like me is an inanimate object, a tool. That alone puts me under the same microscope? In an instant someone in another country uses a tool that I also happen to own, as personal property, as an enthusiast with an appreciation for a sport that requires technique and skill, makes ME crazy or worse yet, a murderer? Where is the logic in that? YOU don't like them, doesn't mean they should be banned from society. I’m not a fan of Baseball, how many murders or assaults are committed with a bat? (Sorry, “assault bat”) Baseball pops up, I change the f***ing channel... Simple.
Helpful tip to you Keyboard Commandos: Logout, go to Google and put your Googlefu to the test. Pull out a calculator and do some math. Figure it out.
Here's a start:
Harvard Study: More guns do not mean more crime
Read it end to end.
**Disclaimer: I DO Respect everyone's opinion. HOWEVER, I do not respect opinions that are solely based on hearsay, what you've heard in the news or what you've read in "Letters to the Editor"**
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