It's unfortunate that this thread got so side tracked but to try and get it back on track, the fact remains that southern rams have more open curls (nothing to do with length or bases or B&C score) than their northern cousins on average and putting rams on a full curl designation would reduce the harvest in the south by 90% or more in the first few years and I doubt it would ever come back to more than 75% or so of what it is now. Even if it came back to 50%, is that really how we want game managers to manage our hunting opportunities in WMUs where there are no concerns with population numbers?