[Arn?Narn.]

you've lost me... I can't pick sense out of your post..

do you mean "were thet great thinks? Philosophers?"

Do you mean literal meaning?

The existance of a chair in physical state, being a reflection, shadow, etc. of what we previously there or the interpretation thereof, speaks only of the chair, an object and our perception of it or our sensing of it in most basic of ways, as Socrates would put it...

Saying the physical representation of a chair provides evidence to whom was sitting on it, is not what Socrates nor Plato theorized, and essentialy this is what makes your arguement about the Bible circular.

Here's the arguement:

1. God exists
2. The Bible is the physical manifestation of his word
3. Based on Plato's theory, this physical manifestation is proof of alternate existence
4. Therfore God exists

You must believe number 1, it is not a proof.
You must believe 3, as it is not a proof.
4 is now invalid.

Even if Plato's theory were proven true, a Bible would not provide proof to support the existence of God. It would support the existence of something else for which the Bible is manifested,..and that could be a giant flood, from which everything else was spwned and made up.

If there was proof, if it did not require belief without evidenece, don't you think everyone would believe? Other religions would be proven to be wrong?


but beyond that,...