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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
So given that this is a thread about loading for the 17 hornet, what experience do you have loading for the 17 hornet?
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Unfortunately this thread was about loading for the 17 HH and a lot of good information was exchanged until you have again turned it into a Laverne Bashing exercise. Yes you instigated it again by posting this, [COLOR="Red"][The assumption that all manufacturers make all rifles with identical chambers, throats,etc, is nonsenseB], which is not true as I pointed out and a direct jab at me. I am surprised that you didn't claim that I stated that "all manufacturers make chambers and throats exactly the same" when I actually said that they are made to Saami or designer specs within the tolerances specified.
As for me stating that your 20 Tac load would not fit in your magazine I will concede that I said that if you post a link to the thread where I specifically stated that. If you don't post it I will assume that I never stated that and suggest that you had better take a long look in the mirror. However that is likely a stupid suggestion, on my part, as you are likely spending a lot of time admiring yourself as it is.
I would likely be offended by your suggestion that I would lie to cover my mistake if you were not just plain ridiculous. I would post some of the hate mail that you sent me, on the other forum you mentioned, where you joined the bunch there that did not like hearing the truth whenever I posted it. However I already had a caution for doing that, as you well know, and I don't believe you have that type of backing on this forum.
As for me playing the victim I feel that I have actually been victorious in that I likely saved a few people from buying a 20 Tactical on the assumption that your RL 10 X load pushing a 39 Bk would be safe because you and Todd Kindler said so. Perhaps I saved one or two from bodily harm, by daring to endure your wrath, and presenting the fact that it would defiantly not be safe under sustained fire on a hot day in the gopher patch. Like Todd Kindler, Hornady were guilty of over selling their creation by selling unsafe Factory ammo and posting loads that were not safe under all conditions. Their engineer did not take kindly to my warnings and people are still confused, when trying to safely handload for the 17 HH, nearly 5 years later. By the way I did mention the work that I did back then that proved that the initial loadings, and load recommendations for 1680, were too hot and that AA 2200 would be a better fit. I also considered giving this cartridge a second chance when Hodgdon posted loads for BLC2 a while back so yes I have considerable experience loading for the 17 HH.
In closing I would like to mention that, of the 50+ loads I have developed that shoot under or just over/under 1/2 MOA in my 20 EXTREME, all of them are "safe in all rifles". Further, all of them fit in a 2.26" Saami speced magazine, when seated to the lands, and all but the 55 Berger will fit in a 222 Sami specked magazine when seated to the lands. The real losers in all this are those who chose to do 20 Vartargs and 20Tacticals rather than take me up on my offer to help them build a 20 EXTREME. However this may all change as a fellow, from the other forum you mentioned, wondered where I was back then when he needed me. His emails to me read like this "
Great talking to you yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to gather information on your journey towards perfection in creating the 20 Extreme. It's amazing what one can accomplish with passion, desire and an attitude that failure is not acceptable. Congratulations on a job well done.
Laverne
Find below Kevin Weaver's address and as per our conversation last night, please send him the 20 Extreme dies and your reamer. Also include if available, the go gauge, a fire formed case and a note to him as to whatever you see appropriate on your reamer's chamber etc. He should ship reamer and go gauge back to me with dies and rifle and I will return them to you. I will confirm that with him when I ship out the rifle/barrel stuff on Monday.
Thank you for perfecting this cartridge and for making your knowledge and equipment available to me. I truly appreciate what you've done for varmint shooters in general. Be and stay well and we'll be in touch. Jim
Weaver Rifles, 16850 Sage Creek Rd. Peyton CO 80831"
Hornady's Lead Tec has expressed an interest in doing a build and agreed to make dies available to individuals at $180.00 US if I give him the word. If Hornady express interest in adding the 20 EXTREME to their lineup of cartridges I will make sure they do not make the same mistakes as they did with the launch of the 17 HH.
It is my sincere hope that we can go forward on this forum, with this and other threads, without any more of your stupid comments aimed solely at furthering your continued vendetta against me for telling the truth which apparently makes your choice of 20 caliber cartridges seem inferior.