[Sundancefisher]

Russia just needs to leave. No country can be allowed to attack another to capture territory. No country should be allowed to attack another because they don’t like their culture, religion or political leanings.

The fixed votes in Ukraine suggesting the population wanted to be Russian is so laughable and ridiculous I’m surprised people have even brought it up.

There is no fair elections in Russia. Never has been and likely never will be. Elections are won by a margin dictated by Putin. When Putin attacked Crimea… Ukrainians fled the area. Then Putin shipped in a bunch of Russians and gave them their homes. Then had this fixed vote. Same as other captured areas.

People thinking this was the will of the people need to better think about it.

Right now Putin needs to save face. It will be hard due to the world now seeing that the Russian army is the third best in this war. They are an unmitigated disaster. Them forcing poor people to fight while protecting the privileged along with not providing adequate equipment and training points to why people don’t want to be Russian.

None of the pro Russian war people posting here would ever emigrate to Russia. That’s a fact. Russian facts is 100% controlled by state media that is controlled by Putin. So what can Putin get and then use to state he won something?

Well… his whole theory of success was really based around reducing NATO’s footprint and keeping them as far from Moscow as possible. People quickly pointed out that NATO as been that close for a long long time. Had been reducing its military in the area and essentially ratcheting down the arms race in Eastern Europe.

Then Putin attacks… arms race picks up. Countries start pumping more money into NATO. Sweden and Finland join or will soon join NATO.

Now Putin appears to be taking over Belarus. So the theory of protecting Russia is proved so false it’s laughable.

Putin wants more power. He pines for the old Soviet Union.

So the biggest hurdle is in fact Putin and his baseless arguments to the Russian people.

What is possible is a crap shoot but here is a shot in the dark.

Russia leaves All of Ukraine. NATO agrees Ukraine will not join NATO but they will join the EU. Ukraine and Russia will demilitarize the border area permanently.

Ukraine will grant some autonomy to the captured regions but Russians not present pre war must leave and seek immigration paths if they want to return.

Putin can then claim on state media that he demilitarized Ukraine (however facts are Ukraine was never militarized until Russia attacked in 2014). But Russians will never hear that on the news. He can claim victory in blocking NATO from Ukraine… but EU membership will grant protections. NATO has dramatically increased its presence due to the war but he can ignore that also and argue Finland and Sweden were already participants in drills before.

War reparations will be hard to come by but lifting sanctions in return for payments can be the side deal. EU investment will also help.


The alternative is Russia will continue as a joke on the world stage… with a crap military that’s only strategy is killing civilians to demoralize the country. Destroying civilian infrastructure to reduce the will of freedom. To level a country of any buildings. They are the 3rd best military in Ukraine.

On the world stage based upon their efforts… Russia went from 2nd best army in the world to likely 10th and falling. Their best soldiers were killed early on in the war. They rely on a private army for their main attack force. They use people as cannon fodder. Their equipment is crap.