Man breaks into apartment with machette is shot.

[JCP]

http://abc7.com/news/machete-wieldin...h-door/481452/

[elkhunter11]

He got what he deserved. Now if this happened in Canada, the person defending himself would likely be charged, and face a harsher sentence than the attacker.

[airbornedeerhunter]

That's crazy, crazier is that had this happened here, the shooter would be charged as well. A senior citizen in NB was recently charged for using a gun to defend himself against a trio of home invaders.

[no-regard]

wow

[zero]

Seconds later, video shows Thomas using the machete to hack his way though the door. Cvengros gives several verbal warnings that he was armed with a gun and kept telling Thomas to leave.

that sure didnt look like a machete breaking through the door, that was a foot. at least he stopped him, I would have done the same.

those sounds hes making are pretty brutal

[Hunter1602]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He got what he deserved. Now if this happened in Canada, the person defending himself would likely be charged, and face a harsher sentence than the attacker.

It all comes down to articulation. If you were able to explain why you stopped the threat instead of... Well officer, He broke in with a machete so I blew his head off...you wouldn't ever see a day in jail.
H1602

[JCP]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He got what he deserved. Now if this happened in Canada, the person defending himself would likely be charged, and face a harsher sentence than the attacker.

Maybe so. I know myself I would sleep well knowing that I could have very well saved the lives of my family. Its unfortunate when these things happen but thats just it. They happen. Why should we be worried about the legal outcome of defending ourself or family members from an attack like this.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by zero

that sure didnt look like a machete breaking through the door, that was a foot. at least he stopped him, I would have done the same.

those sounds hes making are pretty brutal

Look again....what does he have in his hand? He used both the machete and his foot to breach the door.

LC

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Hunter1602

It all comes down to articulation. If you were able to explain why you stopped the threat instead of... Well officer, He broke in with a machete so I blew his head off...you wouldn't ever see a day in jail.
H1602

Explanation nothing, you might not go to jail, but you will be arrested, charged, immediately have your PAL suspended, have your firearms confiscated, have to retain a lawyer, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees and have untold stress in your life while the crown decides what to do.

No doubt you wouldn't care because you were in genuine fear for your life and the lives of anyone else in the home and you cannot put a price on that, in the end regardless of the result you, and I would always be justified, even if it is only in our own minds and the minds of the family.

[Selkirk]

Even here in Canada, 'Reasonable Force' still applies. If someone suddenly hacks their way through your door and comes at you with a machete, pretty much any means of defence would be deemed appropriate.

And just for the record ... is it just me, or did it look like that door was made out of cardboard?!

Mac

[purgatory.sv]

In one incident that was reported I said he fell.

I got lucky.

[zero]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Look again....what does he have in his hand? He used both the machete and his foot to breach the door.

LC

"hack" his way through... i didnt see a blade come through once, just because he had it in his hand doesnt mean he used it to gain entry. that was a foot and a closed fist to bash his way through.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by MacLeod

Even here in Canada, 'Reasonable Force' still applies. If someone suddenly hacks their way through your door and comes at you with a machete, pretty much any means of defence would be deemed appropriate.

And just for the record ... is it just me, or did it look like that door was made out of cardboard?!

Mac

I concur and I will add a statement made to my father by an RCMP officer to my dad when he was living on a rural acreage and dealing with a D-bag....straight up the RCMP constable said "dead men tell no tales".

Somebody breaks into your home whilst you are there and say sleeping or even watching TV and you defend your home/self/spouse/children or all of those options...no effing way are you on the bad side of the law.

A case like this went to trial a couple of years back...guy in Langdon had people break into his home...the people were the brother of a former GF of the guy who got knocked up on purpose to trap the guy into a marriage and he said NOPE...did not plan to have a child so I do not accept repsponsibility since you get pregnant on purpose...the brother and a friend show up at the guys place and break in to try and frighten him and his new sane GF...long story short 1 ended up dead and the other wounded but lived.

The guy that defended himself did not go to jail nor did he get harsh treatment from the crown prosecutor with regards to bail/firearm bans.

Yes you can DEFEND your home in Canada....what the hell can you do?...let some nutjob ransack your home for valuables/rape your wife/GF/kill your children and then kill you when you could just shoot the guy.

And no judge in the country would send a man or woman to jail if they acte in defense in that type of situation as that judge would be making the criminal into a martyr and criminalizing the victim.

Just my .02

FTH

[twofifty]

Originally Posted by MacLeod

...
And just for the record ... is it just me, or did it look like that door was made out of cardboard?!

Mac

Lots of cardboard skinned interior doors, to go with the finger jointed or better yet MDF jambstock and 25 cent doorknobs.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by zero

"hack" his way through... i didnt see a blade come through once, just because he had it in his hand doesnt mean he used it to gain entry. that was a foot and a closed fist to bash his way through.

Ummm he did have a machete though right? What are you arguing for? The guy kicked the door in with a giant knife in his hand, video is pretty dark but I am quite sure he used the knife as well....would you shoot him or discuss it???

LC

[roper1]

Few years ago, a guy on a Langdon acreage stabbed & killed a masked intruder, no charges laid. Masked intruder's GF also got jail for being an accessory, sometimes they get it right.

[elk eater]

The smartest thing this guy did to defend himself was the video camera. It takes all the he said she said crap out of it. If the video camera hadn't been there the defendant may have been in for some grief. In Canada I would take old Kliens advice in shoot/shovel/shut up. I would be awful worried about leaving my fate in the responding officers and judges hands. I think they do a great job but the system does seem to be broken and in many cases has proven the criminal has many more rights than the defendant.

[KGB]

I would've just said that he shot himself in a head. Twice....

[rugatika]

He didn't seem like such a tough guy after he got shot.

[Bushmaster]

Kinda like the old saying...."Don't bring a knife to a gunfight".

[fish_e_o]

what a crappy front door!

is that the quality of front doors in apartment buildings?

[Dacotensis]

I can't believe what entrances are made out of.
After years of the kids leaning on the front door, they finally broke the wood door jam where the dead bolt goes in.
I am not a carpenter. I'm a fabricator.
So off to a shop I went and had them break me some 10 gauge satin coat.
It's all steel now. I can't forsee it breaking anytime soon.

Next up, one for the gun room.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by rugatika

He didn't seem like such a tough guy after he got shot.

I thought the same thing. When he came through the door his eyes said i am gonna hurt someone, then after being shot he is oh Jeremy oh Jeremy.

It's been discussed here before on what we would do if that happened in our home and how we would protect our family. Here is a step by step video of how it can go down. Good thing he had some warning.

Nice paper doors in that building.

[Redfrog]

At least the chain on the door held.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by zero

"hack" his way through... i didnt see a blade come through once, just because he had it in his hand doesnt mean he used it to gain entry. that was a foot and a closed fist to bash his way through.

Whats it matter, kick a locked door in and enter with a machete in a threatening manner, do you think he was invited over to slice cheese for sandwiches?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

I concur and I will add a statement made to my father by an RCMP officer to my dad when he was living on a rural acreage and dealing with a D-bag....straight up the RCMP constable said "dead men tell no tales".

Somebody breaks into your home whilst you are there and say sleeping or even watching TV and you defend your home/self/spouse/children or all of those options...no effing way are you on the bad side of the law.

A case like this went to trial a couple of years back...guy in Langdon had people break into his home...the people were the brother of a former GF of the guy who got knocked up on purpose to trap the guy into a marriage and he said NOPE...did not plan to have a child so I do not accept repsponsibility since you get pregnant on purpose...the brother and a friend show up at the guys place and break in to try and frighten him and his new sane GF...long story short 1 ended up dead and the other wounded but lived.

The guy that defended himself did not go to jail nor did he get harsh treatment from the crown prosecutor with regards to bail/firearm bans.

Yes you can DEFEND your home in Canada....what the hell can you do?...let some nutjob ransack your home for valuables/rape your wife/GF/kill your children and then kill you when you could just shoot the guy.

And no judge in the country would send a man or woman to jail if they acte in defense in that type of situation as that judge would be making the criminal into a martyr and criminalizing the victim.

Just my .02

FTH

When I was a kid in small town Saskatchewan, there was a farmer that shot a guy in the ankle with a shotgun (not sure where he was aiming) as he was running away after breaking into the farm house. The RCMP attending the scene told the farmer he shouldn't have done that. That was all.

[zero]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Whats it matter, kick a locked door in and enter with a machete in a threatening manner, do you think he was invited over to slice cheese for sandwiches?

i simply stated that the article was incorrect, making it seem like he was from the shining HERES JOHNNY. he kicked it in, someone else said i was wrong and he did hack it down, review the video... nope. i dont disagree with anything you guys said, i would have shot him too. continue trolling.



the title even says he hacked through, he kicked the door 7 times and punched it once, and it is wrong.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Explanation nothing, you might not go to jail, but you will be arrested, charged, immediately have your PAL suspended, have your firearms confiscated, have to retain a lawyer, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees and have untold stress in your life while the crown decides what to do.

No doubt you wouldn't care because you were in genuine fear for your life and the lives of anyone else in the home and you cannot put a price on that, in the end regardless of the result you, and I would always be justified, even if it is only in our own minds and the minds of the family.

In a situation like this, I can matter of fact tell you you won't have to do any of that. This clearly was a preservation of life or prevention of grevious bodily harm moment.
The crown could be two crayons shorter than a pack and figure that out. The criminal code is very clear on that matter.