I'll add, I almost never use a leader with my 20lb 832, except when I fish one spot I know to hold many 10-20lb pike. Only lost two hooks all season while not using a leader. Its amazing stuff. Doesn't fray like the other braids. I had a spiderwire that I really liked, but I've converted. No complaints about this stuff, except that if you get a good snag, worry more about breaking your rod than your line....