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08-24-2015, 11:56 AM
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How do feral horses affect elk and deer?
I took a walk on the weekend in an area that seemed promising to hunt. Some sign of game but mostly just horses (had one right at the gf and I). Do the horses push out all of the other animals or might it still be worthwhile to scout around the area?
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08-24-2015, 12:00 PM
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Depends who you ask... Lol, been threads on here before. Usually gets very heated. Do a search with the search function.
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08-24-2015, 04:48 PM
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So many horses out there, I don't think they make a difference, game has gotten used them being around. At the Ya Ha, not unusual to see elk grazing right in with the ranch horses.
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I have witnessed them co-exist quite nicely by the Brazeau. It wouldn't deter me.
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08-24-2015, 05:07 PM
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So many horses out there, I don't think they make a difference, game has gotten used them being around. At the Ya Ha, not unusual to see elk grazing right in with the ranch horses.
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When I have hunted the Ya Ha for elk, I have seen more horses and horse poop then I ever saw elk or elk poop. Them studs sure like to stack it high, if you know what I mean?
Seeing a wild horse is neat, but I always wondered how they tasted. I'll bet pretty good!
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08-24-2015, 05:12 PM
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When I have hunted the Ya Ha for elk, I have seen more horses and horse poop then I ever saw elk or elk poop. Them studs sure like to stack it high, if you know what I mean?
Seeing a wild horse is neat, but I always wondered how they tasted. I'll bet pretty good!
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08-24-2015, 05:15 PM
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Yep unless they were born in the wild, but now completely wild and they don't like humans! 
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08-24-2015, 06:36 PM
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When I have hunted the Ya Ha for elk, I have seen more horses and horse poop then I ever saw elk or elk poop. Them studs sure like to stack it high, if you know what I mean?
Seeing a wild horse is neat, but I always wondered how they tasted. I'll bet pretty good!
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If you've ever watched the NFB film, Project Grizzly, there's a clip of a Grizzly feeding right along side a bunch of the ranch horses, without them paying him any mind.
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08-24-2015, 07:35 PM
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When I have hunted the Ya Ha for elk, I have seen more horses and horse poop then I ever saw elk or elk poop. Them studs sure like to stack it high, if you know what I mean?
Seeing a wild horse is neat, but I always wondered how they tasted. I'll bet pretty good!
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No wildies on the ranch. But I bet if you talked to Smith up at the Ranch buildings he would let you hug and kiss one of the ranch horses!  or Maybe a guy could "adopt"(hug and kiss and maybe taste) one from the Limestone or,Ranger station,or west of Coal Camp,or Williams Creek.
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08-24-2015, 07:48 PM
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Just heard from a pretty good source that the DNA testing is complete . The horses are feral , nothing wild about them . Some have halters on . Also there may another round up and if not successful it would mean a cull by hunters on a special license...The escaped horse's compete very much with the elk and deer for winter survival feeding grounds ....
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Feral horses, feral cats, all the same to me. I like them but can't eat a whole one myself.
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No wildies on the ranch. But I bet if you talked to Smith up at the Ranch buildings he would let you hug and kiss one of the ranch horses! or Maybe a guy could "adopt"(hug and kiss and maybe taste) one from the Limestone or,Ranger station,or west of Coal Camp,or Williams Creek. |
Maybe it was him that was setting up all of those horse traps I saw?
All I can tell you is that I have many wild horses to include a Black Stallion with a Pinto mare and her colt up close and personal as well as a herd of 9 of them while bow hunting the Ya Ha, as wild as wild gets. Very beautiful actually.
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08-24-2015, 08:20 PM
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your wild is in the wild and not the horses.. you can go to a petting zoo and see the same .... so are you applying for the special draw and take one home ? those horses are tame , sorry but your wild experience is tainted that's what happens when you see and deal with feral horses ...
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08-24-2015, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
If you've ever watched the NFB film, Project Grizzly, there's a clip of a Grizzly feeding right along side a bunch of the ranch horses, without them paying him any mind.
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Witnessed that myself first hand on the FTR 2 years ago,just north of the Red Deer R. in the burnt area....big ol grizz ripping up stumps,and a dozen horses 400m away that could seem to care less?
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08-24-2015, 08:27 PM
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your wild is in the wild and not the horses.. you can go to a petting zoo and see the same .... so are you applying for the special draw and take one home ? those horses are tame , sorry but your wild experience is tainted that's what happens when you see and deal with feral horses ... |
Oh Geezeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, how old are you?
I started working on horse ranches as a cowboy when I was 9. I have ridden the best quarter horses on open range, rounded up cattle and personally branded, castrated and dehorned them when I was 16 years old, that was 39 years ago. Guess I know about horses a little bit, no pun intended.
Please share you vast experience(s)?
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08-24-2015, 08:28 PM
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I took a walk on the weekend in an area that seemed promising to hunt. Some sign of game but mostly just horses (had one right at the gf and I). Do the horses push out all of the other animals or might it still be worthwhile to scout around the area?
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They eat they expel waste and if you wish you can eat.
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08-24-2015, 08:43 PM
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Oh Geezeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, how old are you?
I started working on horse ranches as a cowboy when I was 9. I have ridden the best quarter horses on open range, rounded up cattle and personally branded, castrated and dehorned them when I was 16 years old, that was 39 years ago. Guess I know about horses a little bit, no pun intended.
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No offence meant . If you knew that maybe some of those horses you talk about have descendants out there at the ya tinda that you experienced as wild , would you change your thoughts of wild.. The problem is people see them in the wild and associate them as such and its hard for some to separate the wild and what belongs out there and what's feral .. hopefully you understand .. otherwise I have some grazing lease out in the wild with some sheep . if you want to see them let me know ....
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08-24-2015, 08:45 PM
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So many horses out there, I don't think they make a difference, game has gotten used them being around. At the Ya Ha, not unusual to see elk grazing right in with the ranch horses.
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Thanks. I will keep looking around there then.
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08-24-2015, 08:47 PM
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No offence meant . If you knew that maybe some of those horses you talk about have descendants out there at the ya tinda that you experienced as wild , would you change your thoughts of wild.. The problem is people see them in the wild and associate them as such and its hard for some to separate the wild and what belongs out there and what's feral .. hopefully you understand .. otherwise I have some grazing lease out in the wild with some sheep . if you want to see them let me know ....
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Thanks for the offer bud
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I hear that the horses battle and compete furiously with the sasquatch over hunting territory. Supposedly a horse will eat a whole bull elk in 3 days....
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08-24-2015, 09:18 PM
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Just heard from a pretty good source that the DNA testing is complete . The horses are feral , nothing wild about them . Some have halters on . Also there may another round up and if not successful it would mean a cull by hunters on a special license...The escaped horse's compete very much with the elk and deer for winter survival feeding grounds ....
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i heard they got 30 DNA samples out the 100 or so they need and it might take another year. so what's your source?
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Just heard from a pretty good source that the DNA testing is complete . The horses are feral , nothing wild about them . Some have halters on . Also there may another round up and if not successful it would mean a cull by hunters on a special license...The escaped horse's compete very much with the elk and deer for winter survival feeding grounds ....
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If that's true, I'll bet they keep it quiet.  The "Wild horse Lovers" seem to have split into two groups, Henderson's bunch who seem willing to work with SRD and Glover and company, who want total protection. They're the ones who came up with this DNA crap.
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i heard they got 30 DNA samples out the 100 or so they need and it might take another year. so what's your source?
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Why would you need a hundred ?  The collection method seems haphazard as well. Bring us some hair for testing. Can't see how that would be definitive either. Would have been easy to do on the bunch caught last winter, so why wasn't it done then ? For credibility, this study is about the same as the tobacco industry investigating the dangers of smoking. 
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Those horses often beat the elk to their winter food source when times are tough. Horses aren't indigenous in Alberta, so not sure why the DNA sampling is going on? It's a rats nest of an issue, and what happens when folks don't manage their stock properly. They tend to like hanging out on the trunk road a fair bit, nuisance animal in my opinion in the wild. And ive worked with horses as well, not as much as some on here though. Oh, and I wouldn't hunt around them myself, any non target species is just another nose and set of eyeballs to evade.
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08-26-2015, 09:39 AM
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I took a walk on the weekend in an area that seemed promising to hunt. Some sign of game but mostly just horses (had one right at the gf and I). Do the horses push out all of the other animals or might it still be worthwhile to scout around the area?
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just the ferals
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08-26-2015, 10:56 AM
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It's odd, elk don't seem bothered when riding horses around them. Seen a few ferals but never anything else around. My Uncle was attacked by a bull elk once, as he rode horse into the herd and had no issues until the bull decided it was time for them to leave.
I kind of would treat it like when they have cows grazing, probably won't be deer/elk/etc around until they are gone, unless you are lucky.
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