The "Judge" pretty cool little rifle(?)

[Lefty-Canuck]

I saw one of these at a gun shop in Edmonton today....looked pretty neat. Then the guy informed me it was a restricted gun? So much for a grouse gun for the kids....

http://www.rossiusa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=25

Have a look, I think its neat. Fit and finish isn't really that great put I put it on my shoulder and it felt good.

Lefty

[mudbug]

That does look like a fun one Too bad it's restricted

[Lefty-Canuck]

Yah I am not sure what makes it restricted? Maybe that it is built on a handgun receiver? It certainly meets the barrel and overall length rules....a revolver .410 chicken gun would just plain and simple kick A@#!

Lefty

[BushyBill]

These are neat little guns and could be lots of fun (IMO). Did the guy happen to say why it was restricted? i was thinking barrel length, but the article says it has a 18.5 inch barrel, which to my undertanding should make it non-restricted. I just don't see why it would be restricted and now i'm curious.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I saw one of these at a gun shop in Edmonton today....looked pretty neat. Then the guy informed me it was a restricted gun? So much for a grouse gun for the kids....

http://www.rossiusa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=25

Have a look, I think its neat. Fit and finish isn't really that great put I put it on my shoulder and it felt good.

Lefty

Originally Posted by mudbug

That does look like a fun one Too bad it's restricted

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Yah I am not sure what makes it restricted? Maybe that it is built on a handgun receiver? It certainly meets the barrel and overall length rules....a revolver .410 chicken gun would just plain and simple kick A@#!

Lefty

Blame the RCMPoopers. I could get it (what fun at a trap range) but you cannot even use it there as trap and skeet is non rest only!

What is the Difference between a Buckmark Rimfire (based off the buckmark Pistol) and This which is based off of a Judge?

NOTHING!

Yet the Buckmark Rifle is non restricted. Bunch of weenies in charge at the CFO/RCMP

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

Blame the RCMPoopers. I could get it (what fun at a trap range) but you cannot even use it there as trap and skeet is non rest only!

What is the Difference between a Buckmark Rimfire (based off the buckmark Pistol) and This which is based off of a Judge?

NOTHING!

Yet the Buckmark Rifle is non restricted. Bunch of weenies in charge at the CFO/RCMP

I don't get it either.....there are other rifles that shoot a .410/.45 colt so its not even the chambering that would make it restricted....

Lefty

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I don't get it either.....there are other rifles that shoot a .410/.45 colt so its not even the chambering that would make it restricted....

Lefty

RCMPoopers and the CFC are to blame. I can hear it now in their sekrut skwirl back room as they drink their Timmies and eat the dognuts..... RCMP: Oh look, a new firearm... hmmm looks like it is based on the Taurus Judge. Fires shotgun or 45LC rounds.. and it is a revolving action... what a COOL IDEA(strike#1)

CFC Inspector : Aw shoot... I didn't get my double double, and worse still, I rolled up my rim and didn't win anything (strike#2). Therefore, I will call this gun a RESTRICTED firearm because my coffee is not what I ordered and Timmies screwed me on 'roll up the rim'. Since poop rolls downhill, lets screw the firearms owners who are eyeing this!

RCMPooper : I agree. When we passed the Buckmark Rimfire off as a rifle we at least won a free coffee that day.


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That's how it came about

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

RCMPoopers and the CFC are to blame. I can hear it now in their sekrut skwirl back room as they drink their Timmies and eat the dognuts..... RCMP: Oh look, a new firearm... hmmm looks like it is based on the Taurus Judge. Fires shotgun or 45LC rounds.. and it is a revolving action... what a COOL IDEA(strike#1)

CFC Inspector : Aw shoot... I didn't get my double double, and worse still, I rolled up my rim and didn't win anything (strike#2). Therefore, I will call this gun a RESTRICTED firearm because my coffee is not what I ordered and Timmies screwed me on 'roll up the rim'. Since poop rolls downhill, lets screw the firearms owners who are eyeing this!

RCMPooper : I agree. When we passed the Buckmark Rimfire off as a rifle we at least won a free coffee that day.


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That's how it came about

^^^^^
That sir...is pure gold

Lefty

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

^^^^^
That sir...is pure gold

Lefty

Thanks

That is EXACTLY what I think happened. What other reason could there be? A Pump action holds more rounds even! Judge only has 5!

I would buy one in a heartbeat to shoot subgauge and be different at Trap.

Or carry with me on horseback, or camping.

But with the 'R' word it has become a range-toy only. Essentially useless!!!

Can't hunt with it
Can't shoot trap with it
Can't pack it

Won't buy it.

Look at all the M&P 22's for sale now. When they first came out it was a 700.00 touch, and restricted.

Now guys are lucky to get 450.00 for them because they are a range toy only. And while I have to 'eat it' when it comes to owning a pistol and using it only at the range, this is just ludicrous.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

RCMPoopers and the CFC are to blame. I can hear it now in their sekrut skwirl back room as they drink their Timmies and eat the dognuts..... RCMP: Oh look, a new firearm... hmmm looks like it is based on the Taurus Judge. Fires shotgun or 45LC rounds.. and it is a revolving action... what a COOL IDEA(strike#1)

CFC Inspector : Aw shoot... I didn't get my double double, and worse still, I rolled up my rim and didn't win anything (strike#2). Therefore, I will call this gun a RESTRICTED firearm because my coffee is not what I ordered and Timmies screwed me on 'roll up the rim'. Since poop rolls downhill, lets screw the firearms owners who are eyeing this!

RCMPooper : I agree. When we passed the Buckmark Rimfire off as a rifle we at least won a free coffee that day.


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That's how it came about

That could be exactly how it happened. I don't believe the RCMP are required to give any reason for their classification, just the results.

I took a quick look at the act but can't find where it's verboten to shoot clays with a restricted shotty. A point in the right direction would be appreciated.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

That could be exactly how it happened. I don't believe the RCMP are required to give any reason for their classification, just the results.

I took a quick look at the act but can't find where it's verboten to shoot clays with a restricted shotty. A point in the right direction would be appreciated.

It's automatic. Thank our Liberal Left for that.

You Cannot Discharge any firearms on a range not certified for that use.

Hence most shotgun ranges are not certified for restricted firearms. Wether it be a Juge pistol or this rifle, if your range does not have it's certification for restricted, you CANNOT legally discharge this gun there.

It is not in the firearms act, it is right in the RCMP Range Safety/Building handbook.

[Got Juice?]

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r...212/index.html

Enjoy the read.

But ya, we are pretty much cornholed on that one. (pardon my potty mouth because I really want one of these but cannot justify it as a 'restricted range toy' because my firearms are TOOLS for recreation just like some people GOLF!!!!)

[hillbillyreefer]

Thanks guys.

Sometimes I forget not all ranges are as good as the one I belong too. It wouldn't be an issue.

[Lefty-Canuck]

It dawned on me why this is deemed restricted.....cause it holds more than 3 shells? Thats the only reason I can think of.....too bad you can't fill the other 3 spots on the cylinder with lead or make them unusable (like plugs?) to get around the "restricted" status...

Lefty

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

It dawned on me why this is deemed restricted.....cause it holds more than 3 shells? Thats the only reason I can think of.....too bad you can't fill the other 3 spots on the cylinder with lead or make them unusable (like plugs?) to get around the "restricted" status...

Lefty

No. Even a pump action shotgun holds more than 3 shells.

They placed an R beside it because it fires a big cartridge, and can be hacksawed into a handgun. No great mystery.

Which in itself is a travesty considering you could od the same damn thing with a Buckmark Rimfire Rifle.

The only difference is one is a .22 and the other is a .45Long colt/.410 shotshell.

and it got their Liberal pink panties in a twist.

[Got Juice?]

Buckmark Pistol and Rifle




Taurus Judge and Circuit Judge







So, you tell me who got poked where the sun doesn't shine? Firearms enthusiasts, that's who.

I guess some brainiac figures a .22 AUTO LOADING long gun with more mag capacity is less lethal than a .45LC REVOLVING Long Gun with 5 DA/SA shots...

The mentality of it all....or lack of.

[mudbug]

Could have gotten the restricted status because it looks slightly different than most other firearms. Different means scary in the Liberal mind

How much did they wan for it anyhow?

[Lefty-Canuck]

I don't really recall but I want to say between $300-$400.....but I am really not sure. Once he said it was "restricted" it negated the idea of me buying it as a grouse gun for my kids. The stock did fit nice palm swell on both sides to be ambi. Decent little fire-optic open sights and I think it was scope ready too....its a shame it would be a nice little "chicken gun". I have my RPAL but there is no point in owning one of these IMHO if it stays restricted.

Lefty

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I don't really recall but I want to say between $300-$400.....but I am really not sure. Once he said it was "restricted" it negated the idea of me buying it as a grouse gun for my kids. The stock did fit nice palm swell on both sides to be ambi. Decent little fire-optic open sides and i think it was scope ready too....its a shame it would be a nice little "chicken gun". I have my RPAL but there is no point in owning one of these IMHO if it stays restricted.

Lefty

Feel free to write them a letter. I plan to when I get my head on straight (I am still at work and have been since 5am!)

I should be clear of that in a couple of weeks and plan on asking some questions about this lack of common sense.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by mudbug

Could have gotten the restricted status because it looks slightly different than most other firearms. Different means scary in the Liberal mind

How much did they wan for it anyhow?

Sure.

That said, I could convert that Buckmark into a Pistol in half the time that it would take me to hack up that Judge.

Sawzall, Dremel, 1/2 hour tops.

http://www.wanstallsonline.com/tauru...resticted.html

649.00.... the Judge is 599.00

So you get a real stock an a lot more gun for 50.00 imho

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

Sure.

That said, I could convert that Buckmark into a Pistol in half the time that it would take me to hack up that Judge.

Sawzall, Dremel, 1/2 hour tops.

http://www.wanstallsonline.com/tauru...resticted.html

649.00.... the Judge is 599.00

So you get a real stock an a lot more gun for 50.00 imho

Its crazy cause anyone can convert a 12ga into a "concealable" somewhat of a handgun in equal time if they wanted to.....heck any rifle for that matter. Thats why this "judge" classified a restricted boggles me....

Lefty

[hillbillyreefer]

It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.

[JohnS]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.

I agree 100%

[marlin1]

now I want one too , cool little rig .

[Stinky Coyote]

i'd want one too, that is cool, looks like a great chicken rig, hard to believe we can buy the kel-tec rfb but we can't buy that....a semi-auto bullpup with 18.5" barrel in .308 that overall length of 26" yet this little 410 isn't allowed....now thats funny

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

i'd want one too, that is cool, looks like a great chicken rig, hard to believe we can buy the kel-tec rfb but we can't buy that....a semi-auto bullpup with 18.5" barrel in .308 that overall length of 26" yet this little 410 isn't allowed....now thats funny

or a bloody Dominion Arms outlaw!!
Crap, I wanted to get a Pedersoli Howda gun in 20 gauge but they took all the fun out of that as well!!
Cat

[Rem - P14]

Originally Posted by BushyBill

These are neat little guns and could be lots of fun (IMO). Did the guy happen to say why it was restricted? i was thinking barrel length, but the article says it has a 18.5 inch barrel, which to my undertanding should make it non-restricted. I just don't see why it would be restricted and now i'm curious.

I'm not totally familiar with the .410 shotgun but if there is room in the cylinder for more than the maximum capacity of other shotguns then this revolving shotgun might meet the "restricted" criteria.
Just a guess

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Rem - P14

I'm not totally familiar with the .410 shotgun but if there is room in the cylinder for more than the maximum capacity of other shotguns then this revolving shotgun might meet the "restricted" criteria.
Just a guess

The cylinder on this holds five.....inorder to hunt you have to have a limit of 3. Although most pump actions have a removable "plug" which allows for more to be put in.....but you cannot hunt without the plug in the gun.

Still does'nt really explain why it falls under a restricted classification.

Lefty

[Alberta Bigbore]

that would be a nice gun to have at the range just for the fun factor

[gunner72]

All those SKS's are semi auto 5 shot mags? they're not restricked.