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Huh, well what do ya know, I apparently own an assault weapon
Well for those people who didn't care about the CZ858 being reclassified, your sks is the new super evil gun on the the rcmp radar
A cache containing two assault weapons, drugs and $18,000 in reportedly stolen goods was uncovered by police in a shed during a routine investigation.
Nanaimo RCMP officers made the discovery in the 200-block of Pine Street earlier this week.
Two Soviet-era SKS Tula semi-automatic assault rifles, a scooter valued at $3,000, and an estimated $15,000 worth of bicycles were hidden in the shed, along with a quantity of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana.
Police would not say what led to the find.
But the discovery of two Russian assault weapons is of particular concern, given the potential danger they pose to public safety.
The weapons are capable of rapidly firing up to 10 bullets without reloading.
"If they fall into the wrong hands, now they've got a semi-automatic weapon," said Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong of the Nanaimo RCMP.
"Or if some young child finds them and thinks they're a toy, and there's ammunition, look out."
Guns capable of firing one bullet after another are often used in mass shootings.
"Any time you have something capable of firing more than one bullet (in rapid succession), it's concerning," Armstrong said. "You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
"If you can fire off (multiple) shots just like that, it has the capability of harming more individuals than a single shot." Christopher Durkin, 43, appeared in provincial court Thursday facing weapons, property crime and drug charges. His next court date is set for April 1.
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The media machine shifted to the next gear...
Terrible news.
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I'm not surprised.
It was only a matter of time until the SKS got singled out.
Between the guns and archery tools getting negative attention. ...I can only wonder about the direction of the future laws.
It scares me.....a lot!!!!
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the Ruger Mini 14 was the original token of gun paranoia in Canada ,
now it is military surplus junk , whats next ??
as soon as someone harms another person with a Black and Decker Glue Gun,,
Black and Decker Products will be classed as "assault weapons too" ? Sgt Sheryl "the DitZ" Armstrong heading the movement ! Ban Glue Guns Now !
misinformed cops like this Clueless BimBo from Nanaimo can go to the media with lies and misinformation,,
there is no accountability for outright lying to the public !
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Originally Posted by leeaspell
Well for those people who didn't care about the CZ858 being reclassified, your sks is the new super evil gun on the the rcmp radar
A cache containing two assault weapons, drugs and $18,000 in reportedly stolen goods was uncovered by police in a shed during a routine investigation.
Nanaimo RCMP officers made the discovery in the 200-block of Pine Street earlier this week.
Two Soviet-era SKS Tula semi-automatic assault rifles, a scooter valued at $3,000, and an estimated $15,000 worth of bicycles were hidden in the shed, along with a quantity of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana.
Police would not say what led to the find.
But the discovery of two Russian assault weapons is of particular concern, given the potential danger they pose to public safety.
The weapons are capable of rapidly firing up to 10 bullets without reloading.
"If they fall into the wrong hands, now they've got a semi-automatic weapon," said Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong of the Nanaimo RCMP.
"Or if some young child finds them and thinks they're a toy, and there's ammunition, look out."
Guns capable of firing one bullet after another are often used in mass shootings.
"Any time you have something capable of firing more than one bullet (in rapid succession), it's concerning," Armstrong said. "You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
"If you can fire off (multiple) shots just like that, it has the capability of harming more individuals than a single shot." Christopher Durkin, 43, appeared in provincial court Thursday facing weapons, property crime and drug charges. His next court date is set for April 1.
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Id rather face a druggee with a POS SKS with a full magazine at 50 yards ,,
than a druggee with a double barrel 12 gauge with 2 x SSG's in the tubes !
what a joke, Russian assault weapons,, gimmee a break !
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03-15-2014, 08:38 PM
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This is getting stupid, an sks is not an assault rifle.
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03-15-2014, 11:57 PM
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This is getting stupid, an sks is not an assault rifle.
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What makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. I have never heard an actual definition.
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03-16-2014, 12:00 AM
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What makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. I have never heard an actual definition.
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An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, fully automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1] Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Note the difference between the assault rifle and the battle rifle. Assault rifles use smaller cartridges and are used at closer ranges than battle rifles. The larger sized rifle cartridges used in battle rifles make fully automatic fire more difficult. Fully automatic fire refers to an ability for a rifle to fire continuously while the trigger is pressed and held; "burst-capable" fire refers to an ability of a rifle to fire a small yet fixed multiple number of rounds with but one press of the trigger; in contrast, semi-automatic refers to an ability to fire one round per press of a trigger regardless of how long the trigger is held. The presence of selective fire modes on assault rifles permits more efficient use of rounds to be fired for specific needs, versus having a single mode of operation, such as fully automatic, thereby conserving ammunition while maximizing on-target accuracy and effectiveness.
Examples of assault rifles include the StG 44, AK-47,[2] M16 rifle, INSAS rifle,QBZ-95, FAMAS, Heckler & Koch G36, and Enfield SA80.
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03-17-2014, 06:27 PM
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An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, fully automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1] Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Note the difference between the assault rifle and the battle rifle. Assault rifles use smaller cartridges and are used at closer ranges than battle rifles. The larger sized rifle cartridges used in battle rifles make fully automatic fire more difficult. Fully automatic fire refers to an ability for a rifle to fire continuously while the trigger is pressed and held; "burst-capable" fire refers to an ability of a rifle to fire a small yet fixed multiple number of rounds with but one press of the trigger; in contrast, semi-automatic refers to an ability to fire one round per press of a trigger regardless of how long the trigger is held. The presence of selective fire modes on assault rifles permits more efficient use of rounds to be fired for specific needs, versus having a single mode of operation, such as fully automatic, thereby conserving ammunition while maximizing on-target accuracy and effectiveness.
Examples of assault rifles include the StG 44, AK-47,[2] M16 rifle, INSAS rifle,QBZ-95, FAMAS, Heckler & Koch G36, and Enfield SA80.
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Where did you get this description? I sent an email to the rcmp and they stated that there is no legal definition of an "assault" rifle in Canada.
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What makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. I have never heard an actual definition.
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Semi-automatic and looking slightly scary is about all there is to it. Sometimes even less than that.
(Edit: leeaspell gave the real definition, mine's the media, anti-gun version)
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03-16-2014, 12:12 AM
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Makes sense. Thanks guys.
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03-16-2014, 12:15 AM
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Semi-automatic and looking slightly scary is about all there is to it. Sometimes even less than that.
(Edit: leeaspell gave the real definition, mine's the media, anti-gun version)
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Yup, none of which the sks are, except that front sight and gas tube look like an ak. And get this, the sks and ak use the same front sight adjustment tool, better ban it, it has the same front sight
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03-16-2014, 12:16 AM
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If it assaults the feelings of an anti, it's an assault weapon.
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03-16-2014, 06:13 PM
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What makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. I have never heard an actual definition.
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I think Hitler coined the term storm rifle for the stg-44. Guess Assault rifle got evolved from that. It was the first issued automatic rifle firing a intermediate power cartridge. Both were revolutionary. And subsequently influenced the soviet m1943 round and ak. So my belief is if you have a rifle capable of handling full auto firing a centre fire round that's an assault rifle. If it was a full auto 22 lr I would just call it fun.
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03-16-2014, 06:49 PM
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What makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. I have never heard an actual definition.
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In reality, there is no such thing as an "assualt rifle". The term is a media misnomer derived from "AR" as in AR-15. Of course, "AR" actually stands for ArmaLite ( http://www.armalite.com/). It appears the hoplophobes now refer to any semi/full auto rifle with what they refer to as a "military" look about it as such which, of course, is entirely absurd.
Assualt is an act. It is not an inanimate object. Therefore any rifle used to commit an assualt could be refered to as an assault whatever said thing may be (assault pool cue, assault hockey stick, assault vehicle, et al). Nothing is an assault anything until it has been used to commit an assault!
"Sniper Rifle" is yet another ridiculous falacy. Sniping is the act of firing on a target from concealment in a military/police context. Any rifle deployed by such an individual on behalf of their organization hence becomes a "sniper rifle" yet only when it is used by said professional.
What we have here in this article is propaganda from antis, plain and simple. It is a shame to read such things on a fine Outdoors Forum such as this.
There is no need to spread such nonsense about, even if the aim is to make others aware than any firearm could be targeted by the RCMP. I do not think there is a sane; Law-Abiding, Pal-holding Candian Citizen out there who does not think the RCMP's arbitrary reclassification was a grotesque over-reach. If anyone else believes there may be? Well, surely there is a better way to tend to the idea and open a dialogue than spreading the diseased diatribe of the antis! Seeing their balderdash in places like this is terrible.
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http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/pol...-on-fiirearms/
flurry of emails have been sent to me this morning following a story in the Nanaimo Daily News. It’s a news story of a drug bust and theft ring.
“A cache containing two assault weapons, drugs and $18,000 in reportedly stolen goods was uncovered by police in a shed during a routine investigation.”
Assault weapons you say! Drugs! Stolen goods!
This sounds like a juicy story but despite “heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana” being found on site the real issue, well of course it’s the guns. To be sure two rifles, “Soviet-era SKS Tula semi-automatic assault rifles,” found in the back of a shed can be dangerous if kids find them but then again, so can heroin.
Here’s where the Nanaimo Daily News and reporter Darrell Bellaart get loopy and lazy, aided and abetted by the local RCMP.
But the discovery of two Russian assault weapons is of particular concern, given the potential danger they pose to public safety.
The weapons are capable of rapidly firing up to 10 bullets without reloading.
“If they fall into the wrong hands, now they’ve got a semi-automatic weapon,” said Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong of the Nanaimo RCMP.
“Or if some young child finds them and thinks they’re a toy, and there’s ammunition, look out.”
Guns capable of firing one bullet after another are often used in mass shootings.
“Any time you have something capable of firing more than one bullet (in rapid succession), it’s concerning,” Armstrong said. “You think about the massacres we’ve had with AK-47s.
“If you can fire off (multiple) shots just like that, it has the capability of harming more individuals than a single shot.”
Alrighty then, where to begin?
Let’s start with the “assault weapon” designation. There is no such thing as an “assault weapon.” This is a made up term used to invoke fear. This rifle is a semi-automatic. That means that just like the sidearm the RCMP officer carries on her hip the rifle can shoot one bullet each time the trigger is pulled.
Other than some cosmetic differences there is not much to distinguish between this and a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They may operate differently, but the end result is the same, pull trigger, bullet shoots.
When Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong says,”If they fall into the wrong hands, now they’ve got a semi-automatic weapon,” she could very well be talking about her pistol or Grandpa’s hunting rifle. These comments are incredibly stupid.
But as you’ve seen Sgt. Armstrong wasn’t done with her stupid comments. She went on to say this:
“Any time you have something capable of firing more than one bullet (in rapid succession), it’s concerning,” Armstrong said. “You think about the massacres we’ve had with AK-47s.”
Okay, tell me about all the massacres in Nanaimo with AK-47s. Can you think of one? Tell me about all the massacres in Canada with AK-47s.
This officer and reporter have not educated the public here, they have only shown their own ignorance.
The scary part is that Sgt. Armstrong could actually have power over whether law-abiding gun owners, people that have a clue about firearms, get to keep their property. Quite frankly based on these comments, i wouldn’t trust her with her own sidearm.
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Oh here we go again ..the stg 44 in fact as posted is the first assualt rifle from "sturmgewehr".
This is the common classification for a rifle combining some or all of the traits of a carbine , smg and an automatic rifle. The name storm rifle meaning to storm a position ie assault . this is drawn from the design keys of such a rifle,short overall length with a relitively long barrel. Allowing quick target acquisition in tight quarters whilst maintaining accuracy at distance.
High magazine capacity to facilitate sustained suppressive fire with the ability to select rate of fire to allow easy role change of weapon. single shot to increase accuracy for selective target engagments.
So the assault rifle has existed from the latter parts of wwll .is still in use to day to cover rifles that fill the role" to assault " unlike our above members absurdity the hockey stick was never intended to be used as a weapon against others as with the pool cue or the car. The assault rifle is specifically intended for such a purpose.
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[QUOTE=leeaspell;2364340]"You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
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I'm Thinking.
Am I missing something?
Have we had a lot of ak massacres?
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[QUOTE=Dewey Cox;2364369]
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"You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
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I'm Thinking.
Am I missing something?
Have we had a lot of ak massacres?
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Maybe the gangs in BC, but I can't think of any recent ones.
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Reclassification here we come.
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[QUOTE=Dewey Cox;2364369]
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"You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
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I'm Thinking.
Am I missing something?
Have we had a lot of ak massacres?
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That's not the point.
The point is.....whatever puts fear into people's minds. And Hollywood and u tube is to blame for a large percentage of negative influence.
And it's no help when people on an outdoors forum bicker either! !!!
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Join the NFA.
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Ha!!!!
I'll bet a lot òf AO members are NFA members.
I'm one of them.
And I don't think they do us much justice.
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Ha!!!!
I'll bet a lot òf AO members are NFA members.
I'm one of them.
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If not the NFA then whom? As you pointed out in your post #9, bickering on an outdoor forum does us no good.
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"Or if some young child finds them and thinks they're a toy, and there's ammunition, look out."
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Look out indeed!
First they would have to figure out how to operate the action, load ammo into the mag, and then into the chamber.
That's assuming they could even lift one up.
Ridiculous!
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Well if this assault weapon becomes prohibited just like the rest, it's good to know that the wrong hands won't be getting ahold of them. Just like all the other prohibited things that were in that shed.
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I remember reading somewhere, maybe on here, a while back, that at the end of the registry there was roughly 65,000 sks in Canada
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I remember reading somewhere, maybe on here, a while back, that at the end of the registry there was roughly 65,000 sks in Canada
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They are a very sought after tool.
If we love it....then our government will find a way to tax it or make it illegal.
Popularity is not always a good thing.
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The original news article is interesting; it’s based on the opinion of a representative of an enforcement agency.
I know it’s biased but not all do.
Point to the groups who do not want individuals to own objects.
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Well for those people who didn't care about the CZ858 being reclassified, your sks is the new super evil gun on the the rcmp radar
A cache containing two assault weapons, drugs and $18,000 in reportedly stolen goods was uncovered by police in a shed during a routine investigation.
Nanaimo RCMP officers made the discovery in the 200-block of Pine Street earlier this week.
Two Soviet-era SKS Tula semi-automatic assault rifles, a scooter valued at $3,000, and an estimated $15,000 worth of bicycles were hidden in the shed, along with a quantity of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana.
Police would not say what led to the find.
But the discovery of two Russian assault weapons is of particular concern, given the potential danger they pose to public safety.
The weapons are capable of rapidly firing up to 10 bullets without reloading.
"If they fall into the wrong hands, now they've got a semi-automatic weapon," said Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong of the Nanaimo RCMP.
"Or if some young child finds them and thinks they're a toy, and there's ammunition, look out."
Guns capable of firing one bullet after another are often used in mass shootings.
"Any time you have something capable of firing more than one bullet (in rapid succession), it's concerning," Armstrong said. "You think about the massacres we've had with AK-47s.
"If you can fire off (multiple) shots just like that, it has the capability of harming more individuals than a single shot." Christopher Durkin, 43, appeared in provincial court Thursday facing weapons, property crime and drug charges. His next court date is set for April 1.
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Next they'll be banning pool cues and baseball bats too!! How ridiculous are these guys? It's as bad as the safety programs on the industrial sites! 1 person does something stupid and it's ruined for us all! Whatever happened to our free country! The sheeple need to wake up, and realize our rights are being written away from us!
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