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Here we go again re: feral horses
And some still insist on calling them wild horses. The Canadian Wildhorse foundation wants to have Alberta's feral horses declared as a heritage animal.
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Wonder if packs of wild dogs will eventually also be a heritage animal.
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Wonder if packs of wild dogs will eventually also be a heritage animal.
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They already are, kind of. Look at the fights they put up to keep wolves of the endangered list in the US.
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And I always will call them wild!! My preference and my opinion!!
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And I always will call them wild!! My preference and my opinion!!
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Then you are feeding into the ignorance of those who do not understand the difference.
Calling a spade a rose does not make it so.
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Then you are feeding into the ignorance of those who do not understand the difference.
Calling a spade a rose does not make it so.
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Trust me pal I know a ton more on the horses in the west country than I'm sure you ever will so this is an argument I will not be getting into with you!!!! But thanks for your comment.
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should be draw tags for feral horses I have had horse steak before its pretty good ..
Free range drug free meat
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should be draw tags for feral horses I have had horse steak before its pretty good ..
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Deffinatly an idea but I'm thinking we as hunters don't really want the publicity that would follow even if it was a legal hunt!!
The powers that be just need to have a capture and herd reduction plan and stick with it. The horses have been out there for more years than any of us on here! They just need a strict management program to control numbers. But the open catch permits for a couple years than close them again. They don't set a population goal and stick with it and that is the biggest issue. It's the same issue we have with the wolves. Stop bending to the antis and control numbers to managable levels.
And guys that spend a weekend a year in these horse areas yelling kill them all! Shoot and eat them! Irradicate feral horses and all this other stuff are the biggest feeders to these anti groups!! These guys that think they are helping are a bigger hindrance than the protect the horse groups!!
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Trust me pal I know a ton more on the horses in the west country than I'm sure you ever will so this is an argument I will not be getting into with you!!!! But thanks for your comment.
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A couch riders favorite topic talking about wildies! How possibly can we take sheepguides actual experience seriously? Bring on the knowall do nothing couch riders good luck Darcy!
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Trust me pal I know a ton more on the horses in the west country than I'm sure you ever will so this is an argument I will not be getting into with you!!!! But thanks for your comment.
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Without getting into the argument as to who has the bigger penis, I suspect I know a ton more than you do about introduced species. And the damage they can do to our native species. And the unintended consequences of them being here.
They are feral animals and do not belong on our landscape.
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They are feral animals and do not belong on our landscape.
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And it's guys such as yourself and such comments that hurt the efforts to control the horse populations more than anything else there is.
And I'm sure you have read every book on the topic and researched the topic lots. I'm proud of you for that!! But how much true horse country do you travel in a year? How much true horse damage do you witness and document per year? If the damage they do and have done is so extreme why then does no one show it? Show the hundreds of acres they have decimated! Show where they are they cause of decreased wildlife populations! Show where they have pushed native species to dangerously low levels! Show where complete eradication is the true answer and not just a personal opinion!
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They are feral animals and do not belong on our landscape.
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nobody can dispute this IMO.
I wont pretend to know what the solution is to the problem but to say there isnt a problem and actually encourage protection of them is very obviously not the right move.
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Without getting into the argument as to who has the bigger penis, I suspect I know a ton more than you do about introduced species. And the damage they can do to our native species. And the unintended consequences of them being here.
They are feral animals and do not belong on our landscape.
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Without getting into the argument as to who has the bigger penis, I suspect I know a ton more than you do about introduced species. And the damage they can do to our native species. And the unintended consequences of them being here.
They are feral animals and do not belong on our landscape.
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and feral beef should no be on our leases ruining brooks and woodlands
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why do some of your "wild" ponies have saddle sores?
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And I always will call them wild!! My preference and my opinion!!
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So much emotion tied up in the stupid things. The new proposed law would protect them from ever being trapped, or shot, or harassed and would protect their habitat from being altered. Horrible law IMO.
We need to be able to control their numbers when needed without having to go through douche-bags in Ottawa to do so.
My belief is that if you protect them to the degree that the designation would, that you will see more of them being shot and left than you do now (which only happens rarely).
Yes I like seeing them when I am out, but now see several dozen to a hundred on every trip. They need a severe knockdown on numbers right now.
And calling them wild does not change the fact that they are feral. You can call Rosie Odonell "svelte" if you want but it doesn't mean she's not fat.
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Gonna be more letters in the local paper. Think Henderson must have a filing cabinet full of them, some from people who would be scared witless if they ever actually saw one.
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No love for the Norway rat? They've also managed to survive despite not being indigenous...... Where's the campaign for their special status? Perhaps I too can be designated as a heritage animal
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What's next, protect "wild hogs"? The feral horses are mostly inbred mutts though it has been reported that some fans of the herds add unwanted horses to their numbers to up the gene pool, whatever.
What I do not understand is why the hell is an act of parliament being sought to protect these ugly beasts of questionable heritage yet we are allowed to hunt deer, moose, elk, bears etc? Why is an invasive species more valuable than the true natural wildlife of Alberta? If these mangey hosses get protection it is only a matter of time before everything else is protected by the same template.
A truer heritage animal would be the bison. Driven almost to the point of extinction and nobody cares. Could it be that the fans of the feral horse watched too many cowboy and indian shows when they were growing up?
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What's next, protect "wild hogs"? The feral horses are mostly inbred mutts though it has been reported that some fans of the herds add unwanted horses to their numbers to up the gene pool, whatever.
What I do not understand is why the hell is an act of parliament being sought to protect these ugly beasts of questionable heritage yet we are allowed to hunt deer, moose, elk, bears etc? Why is an invasive species more valuable than the true natural wildlife of Alberta? If these mangey hosses get protection it is only a matter of time before everything else is protected by the same template.
A truer heritage animal would be the bison. Driven almost to the point of extinction and nobody cares. Could it be that the fans of the feral horse watched too many cowboy and indian shows when they were growing up?
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I can't wait to hear your take when parks eradicates the elk populations and gets their way with the buffalo reintroduction.
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[QUOTE=Unregistered user;1984835]What's next, protect "wild hogs"? QUOTE]\
Probably.
The lip srervice paid to getting rid of hogs has been pretty obvious.
If they wanted them gone they could have allowed us to use some red light sets and night shooting for vermin control.
Nope.
We already have guided hunts for them so the government is probably already considering the worth of printing tags.
Everything has a dollar value in this province sometimes.
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That is true Pesky!! The almighty dollar always seem to prevail no matter what it affects or hurts and it sticks out big time in our wildlife management!
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What's next, protect "wild hogs"? The feral horses are mostly inbred mutts though it has been reported that some fans of the herds add unwanted horses to their numbers to up the gene pool, whatever.
What I do not understand is why the hell is an act of parliament being sought to protect these ugly beasts of questionable heritage yet we are allowed to hunt deer, moose, elk, bears etc? Why is an invasive species more valuable than the true natural wildlife of Alberta? If these mangey hosses get protection it is only a matter of time before everything else is protected by the same template.
A truer heritage animal would be the bison. Driven almost to the point of extinction and nobody cares. Could it be that the fans of the feral horse watched too many cowboy and indian shows when they were growing up?
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not to many cowboy and Indian shows, but way to many black beauty and fllicka , and way to many light headed dreamers out there, that think they are horse whisperers.
but on the serious side I believe cattle ranchers and domestic sheep ranchers have done way more damage to the streams and water ways ,and disease like white muscle into the bighorn sheep. all rented cattle range should be fenced along both sides of any water way or water shed be it big or small, why don't people complain about our fish streams being decimated by cattle, instead of worrying about a couple hundred head of wild nags?????
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Curious, I don't know much about horses in the wild so bear with me...
Wild is wild, feral is defined as domestic returned to the wild. How does one differentiate between the two? Is there a way to tell? Are there any wild horses left in Alberta?
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Curious, I don't know much about horses in the wild so bear with me...
Wild is wild, feral is defined as domestic returned to the wild. How does one differentiate between the two? Is there a way to tell? Are there any wild horses left in Alberta?
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A horse is a horse ofcourse ofcourse.
Couldn't resist.
Personally I think we've already screwed the environment to the point where it is what it is. Besides the horses:
1) Those beavers in Argentina. My favorite story
2) Moose in Newfoundland.
3) Those giant bug things that are sitting on every surface in parts of BC.
4) Raccoons in Newfoundland. Yes they are starting to show up.
5) Those Chinese whatchamacallit fish in the reservoirs of Ontario.
Basically we're a bunch of screw ups. I say cull the horses now and then, but otherwise leave them be.
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Curious, I don't know much about horses in the wild so bear with me...
Wild is wild, feral is defined as domestic returned to the wild. How does one differentiate between the two? Is there a way to tell? Are there any wild horses left in Alberta?
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There never have been any wild horses in Alberta since well before the ice age. Anything that exists now is feral, descendants from domestic in stock
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People in this country get plain stupid when it comes to animals we consider pets. They are a feral animal and I thought ferral animals could be shot anytime. If pigs were considered "cute" then people would want
to protect them. I don't know if "'wild" horses cause any kind is problems but protecting and invasive spiecies is stupid. I am not saying we should go out and shoot them all but no special designations should be give
to a domestic animal that got loose. We need to stop messing with nature so much!
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People in this country get plain stupid when it comes to animals we consider pets. They are a feral animal and I thought ferral animals could be shot anytime. If pigs were considered "cute" then people would want
to protect them. I don't know if "'wild" horses cause any kind is problems but protecting and invasive spiecies is stupid. I am not saying we should go out and shoot them all but no special designations should be give
to a domestic animal that got loose. We need to stop messing with nature so much!
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Should we remove all the brown trout in our streams as well. Have no catch sizes or limits?
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