#4 Antlered vs Antlerless

[waterninja]

So, as promised I am putting forth some suggestions for changes that I would like to see happen with our regs. This time I will not try to defend my suggestion or argue my position. In my mind this suggestion has merit. This is how it works in BC, but that does not mean that I think all of BC regs. are better then ours or that I will move to BC if none of my suggestions are implemented. Actually I'm kind of hopeing that someone at F&W or AEP that I am sure read the threads here on AO might pass my suggestions along to those who make policies and or reg. changes. Anyways......
..4.. Regulation on whether a Deer is Antlered or Antlerless. Right now if you are trying to harvest an Antlerless deer and you shoot one that has one antler 2" long and one a little longer then 4", you have committed a crime. I think this is backwards. In BC (yeh I know, flame away) and probably other places if ONE antler is less then the legal length then it is considered Antlerless. So, if you are glassing that deer and see no antlers, or just a small nub and shoot it thinking you have shot an Antlerless deer and then walk up and see that on the side that was facing away from you it has a 4 1/2" antler then here in AB you can be in big trouble. You can argue that the hunter was irresponsible by not waiting to glass or scope both sides, or he shouldn't have shot at all, but in the field a lot of times you have an animal standing broadside to you and have to make a decision based on what you can see. Just seems to make more sense if the reg. was written the other way around. Much less chance of error, and I doubt it would hurt the spikers out there.
Here is a pic of a Whitetail "buck" that a hunter shot thinking it was Antlerless. The small (and legal) 3" antler was hiding behind the ear that was broadside to hunter, and that 5" antler was sticking straight out away from hunter and could not be seen. Legally, in AB this was an Antlered deer.
Feedback welcome on this reg suggestion but I will not type another word on this thread. Flame away guys.
P.S. I'll leave it to the ussual suspects to speculate what tag was put on this animal.

[Bergerboy]

If you have doubt don't pull the trigger.

[gitrdun]

How badly does one need to put meat on the table?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

If you have doubt don't pull the trigger.

The obvious solution, to a problem that shouldn't exist.

[C & C]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

If you have doubt don't pull the trigger.

X2

If I seen any antler on the head I consider it antlered till I can measure otherwise. If I was looking to fill a sup tag I would never shoot anything that had antler visible.

[blgoodbrand1]

Originally Posted by C & C

X2



If I seen any antler on the head I consider it antlered till I can measure otherwise. If I was looking to fill a sup tag I would never shoot anything that had antler visible.

I'm gonna have to start eating more carrots to see the difference of fractions of an inch on deers head.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

I'm gonna have to start eating more carrots to see the difference of fractions of an inch on deers head.

I guess that it needs repeating.

If you have doubt don't pull the trigger.

[blgoodbrand1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I guess that it needs repeating.

Sorry. I was agreeing with him.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

I'm gonna have to start eating more carrots to see the difference of fractions of an inch on deers head.

You have to do that now.

The fact of the matter is that as it stand now AND if the OP's suggestion is implemented, it still comes down to judging antler and making a judgment. You could misjudge the shorter or longer antler. If it's close you have to be careful. Frankly it`s why I`ve never pulled the trigger on an bighorn ewe. I`m not that confident I`m looking at an ewe and not a young male. I think it takes more practice and knowledge than I currently have.

Year before last an acquaintance thought he had filled his antlerless tag. However when he walked up to the downed animal he found that he haid actually filled his antlered tag... with a pathetic little spiker. Darn lucky he had both tags in his pocket. Perhaps that knowledge prompted him to be less observant than he should have been. Lesson learned.

[blgoodbrand1]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

You have to do that now.



The fact of the matter is that as it stand now AND if the OP's suggestion is implemented, it still comes down to judging antler and making a judgment. You could misjudge the shorter or longer antler. If it's close you have to be careful.



Year before last an acquaintance thought he had filled his antlerless tag. However when he walked up to the downed animal he found that he haid actually filled his antlered tag... with a pathetic little spiker. Darn lucky he had both tags in his pocket. Perhaps that knowledge prompted him to be less observant than he should have been. Lesson learned.

Nope. I don't shoot does.

[JWCalgary]

X 2 ^

[blgoodbrand1]

How often does this happen?
I'm gonna say next to never.
And as far as what tag? Anything other an as antlered is wrong.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by waterninja

So, as promised I am putting forth some suggestions for changes that I would like to see happen with our regs. This time I will not try to defend my suggestion or argue my position. . Actually I'm kind of hopeing that someone at F&W or AEP that I am sure read the threads here on AO might pass my suggestions along to those who make policies and or reg. changes. Anyways......

So have you ever considered actively getting involved with AFGA and bringing your suggestions up through the meetings so AFGA can and does bring ideas for regulations changes forward on behalf of the full hunting / fishing population in Alberta?

And no I do not support or like your idea on a change to the regulation on the length of antler's Make a mistake be honest and call it in right away. The onus is on the shooter to have the right optics and take the correct amount of time to make sure before the trigger is pulled.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by waterninja

So, as promised I am putting forth some suggestions for changes that I would like to see happen with our regs. This time I will not try to defend my suggestion or argue my position. In my mind this suggestion has merit. This is how it works in BC, but that does not mean that I think all of BC regs. are better then ours or that I will move to BC if none of my suggestions are implemented. Actually I'm kind of hopeing that someone at F&W or AEP that I am sure read the threads here on AO might pass my suggestions along to those who make policies and or reg. changes. Anyways......
..4.. Regulation on whether a Deer is Antlered or Antlerless. Right now if you are trying to harvest an Antlerless deer and you shoot one that has one antler 2" long and one a little longer then 4", you have committed a crime. I think this is backwards. In BC (yeh I know, flame away) and probably other places if ONE antler is less then the legal length then it is considered Antlerless. So, if you are glassing that deer and see no antlers, or just a small nub and shoot it thinking you have shot an Antlerless deer and then walk up and see that on the side that was facing away from you it has a 4 1/2" antler then here in AB you can be in big trouble. You can argue that the hunter was irresponsible by not waiting to glass or scope both sides, or he shouldn't have shot at all, but in the field a lot of times you have an animal standing broadside to you and have to make a decision based on what you can see. Just seems to make more sense if the reg. was written the other way around. Much less chance of error, and I doubt it would hurt the spikers out there.
Here is a pic of a Whitetail "buck" that a hunter shot thinking it was Antlerless. The small (and legal) 3" antler was hiding behind the ear that was broadside to hunter, and that 5" antler was sticking straight out away from hunter and could not be seen. Legally, in AB this was an Antlered deer.
Feedback welcome on this reg suggestion but I will not type another word on this thread. Flame away guys.
P.S. I'll leave it to the ussual suspects to speculate what tag was put on this animal.

In BC to be considered antlerless a deer needs to be less than one year old and have no visible antlers of any length. A deer is considered antlered in BC if it has anything more than a nub with hair still on it in the way of antlers.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by waterninja

So, as promised I am putting forth some suggestions for changes that I would like to see happen with our regs. This time I will not try to defend my suggestion or argue my position. In my mind this suggestion has merit. This is how it works in BC, but that does not mean that I think all of BC regs. are better then ours or that I will move to BC if none of my suggestions are implemented. Actually I'm kind of hopeing that someone at F&W or AEP that I am sure read the threads here on AO might pass my suggestions along to those who make policies and or reg. changes. Anyways......
..4.. Regulation on whether a Deer is Antlered or Antlerless. Right now if you are trying to harvest an Antlerless deer and you shoot one that has one antler 2" long and one a little longer then 4", you have committed a crime. I think this is backwards. In BC (yeh I know, flame away) and probably other places if ONE antler is less then the legal length then it is considered Antlerless. So, if you are glassing that deer and see no antlers, or just a small nub and shoot it thinking you have shot an Antlerless deer and then walk up and see that on the side that was facing away from you it has a 4 1/2" antler then here in AB you can be in big trouble. You can argue that the hunter was irresponsible by not waiting to glass or scope both sides, or he shouldn't have shot at all, but in the field a lot of times you have an animal standing broadside to you and have to make a decision based on what you can see. Just seems to make more sense if the reg. was written the other way around. Much less chance of error, and I doubt it would hurt the spikers out there.
Here is a pic of a Whitetail "buck" that a hunter shot thinking it was Antlerless. The small (and legal) 3" antler was hiding behind the ear that was broadside to hunter, and that 5" antler was sticking straight out away from hunter and could not be seen. Legally, in AB this was an Antlered deer.
Feedback welcome on this reg suggestion but I will not type another word on this thread. Flame away guys.
P.S. I'll leave it to the ussual suspects to speculate what tag was put on this animal.

In BC for identification of members of the deer family , Any deer having VISIBLE BONEY ANTLERS IS NOT CONSIDERED ANTLERLESS,
NO matter what form or length of the boney antler mass , or how deformed or un uniform in comparison,

If it has visible BONE ! It IS antlered !

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by elkdump

In BC for identification of members of the deer family , Any deer having VISIBLE BONEY ANTLERS IS NOT CONSIDERED ANTLERLESS,
NO matter what form or length of the boney antler mass , or how deformed or un uniform in comparison,

If it has visible BONE ! It IS antlered !

Exactly...Ninja do some more reading instead of writing nonsense.

You really think if you can't see horn before the shot yet see it after it makes it antlerless? Is this a joke? LOL.

LC

[blgoodbrand1]

But awciffer.....I didn't see a horn therefore I chose for it not to have horns...

[blgoodbrand1]

So this is an antlerless moose big fella?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

So this is an antlerless moose big fella?

LOL exactly!!

Only in BC....or wait was it Alberta??? Actually in both places it's antlered.

LC

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

LOL exactly!!

Only in BC....or wait was it Alberta??? Actually in both places it's antlered.

LC

It has less than TWO points on one side, so it must be an " imme " lmao

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

LOL exactly!!

Only in BC....or wait was it Alberta??? Actually in both places it's antlered.

LC

Half Antlered??
Looks like you could put an anterless tag on it - with a good swift kick after it was down!
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Half Antlered??
Looks like you could put an anterless tag on it - with a good swift kick after it was down!
Cat

Wouldn't that be interesting if you had an antlered tag, and the other antler fell off as it hit the ground.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Wouldn't that be interesting if you had an antlered tag, and the other antler fell off as it hit the ground.

I'd be draggin that antler back with me as well, that is for sure!
Even a sudden jerk from him if he got shot may send that one flying, the other one doesn't look like it was gone long!
Cat

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Half Antlered??
Looks like you could put an anterless tag on it - with a good swift kick after it was down!
Cat

There's an idea...I bet you could tear each tag in half and put both halves on the deer?

Then your next deer can only have one antler too!

Trust Ninja....he read it in the regs

LC

[blgoodbrand1]

I think I'll use my supplemental to tag this one.....