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Last Nights Waterton Prairie Fire
This is not fact, but is the story on the ground from farmers/ranchers battling the fire.
Sounds like some really, really smart Parks Canada people tried a controlled burn yesterday, this is unofficial but what locals are saying.
An uncontrolled burn in tinder box dry condition with a very strong west wind, right next to sections upon sections of tinder box dry, tall dead prairie grass
If this is true; Brings about a whole new meaning to the word, STUPID!!!!!!!
Numerous ranches lost. One in existense 160 years
100 horses dead on one ranch, many cattle herds burned to death.
Locals up all night pushing cattle down to the river in hopes of cows saving themselves when the flames come thru.
Red ash raining down from the fire great distances from the burn.
It's an unbelievable mess.
One plus... there is an army of men in black and many others on the ground battling the fire and moving very expensive farm equipment away.
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When they stated they wanted to try to burn away the fuel that would allow the fire to reach the townsite I kind of shook my head when I noticed how windy it was.
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Apparently, JT and his cabinet are only "learning" about Waterton this morning at their "Ministerial Retreat" in Newfoundland (per Global News). Quebec gets a snow storm and half of Canada's military shows up to help shovel....southern Alberta burns....meh
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This is nuts.
Haven't seen anything on the news yet about properties or herds, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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09-12-2017, 09:33 AM
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I wonder if this is just a malicious rumour-nothing about it on news reports we've been following to now?
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09-12-2017, 09:43 AM
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I wonder if this is just a malicious rumour-nothing about it on news reports we've been following to now?
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They were talking about doing back burns last night on the news, but I haven't seen anything verified about homes or livestock being harmed. That said, the media isn't always accurate....
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09-12-2017, 09:52 AM
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That said, the media isn't always accurate....
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And neither are farmers/ranchers..
Not pointing fingers, I just don't believe 3rd hand stories, specifically when there is an emotional & stressful situation currently happening.
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09-12-2017, 04:35 PM
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C'mon!
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Originally Posted by Marty S
This is not fact, but is the story on the ground from farmers/ranchers battling the fire.
Sounds like some really, really smart Parks Canada people tried a controlled burn yesterday, this is unofficial but what locals are saying.
An uncontrolled burn in tinder box dry condition with a very strong west wind, right next to sections upon sections of tinder box dry, tall dead prairie grass
If this is true; Brings about a whole new meaning to the word, STUPID!!!!!!!
Numerous ranches lost. One in existense 160 years
100 horses dead on one ranch, many cattle herds burned to death.
Locals up all night pushing cattle down to the river in hopes of cows saving themselves when the flames come thru.
Red ash raining down from the fire great distances from the burn.
It's an unbelievable mess.
One plus... there is an army of men in black and many others on the ground battling the fire and moving very expensive farm equipment away.
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All this post does is stir things up right in the middle of a crisis.
And you are getting this stuff second hand.
Not classy at all.
If you aren't going to offer help or prayers at this stage. Please keep your bi&$&@ng to yourself.
It doesn't matter if your right or wrong at this point.
It doesn't help.
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Originally Posted by Marty S
This is not fact, but is the story on the ground from farmers/ranchers battling the fire.
Sounds like some really, really smart Parks Canada people tried a controlled burn yesterday, this is unofficial but what locals are saying.
An uncontrolled burn in tinder box dry condition with a very strong west wind, right next to sections upon sections of tinder box dry, tall dead prairie grass
If this is true; Brings about a whole new meaning to the word, STUPID!!!!!!!
Numerous ranches lost. One in existense 160 years
100 horses dead on one ranch, many cattle herds burned to death.
Locals up all night pushing cattle down to the river in hopes of cows saving themselves when the flames come thru.
Red ash raining down from the fire great distances from the burn.
It's an unbelievable mess.
One plus... there is an army of men in black and many others on the ground battling the fire and moving very expensive farm equipment away.
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We need these 'smart' park officials removed at once. And sent to the willmore.
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09-12-2017, 05:11 PM
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Don't miss my key words...
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Originally Posted by Marty S
This is not fact...
If this is true...
One plus... there is an army of men in black and many others on the ground battling the fire and moving very expensive farm equipment away.
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I think they call the guys battling the fire and moving the livestock etc to safety, I think they call that ground zero (in other crisis')
That's where I get my minformation from.
Also, my intent is not malicious. It is for concern for the same affected people's, livestocks, wildlife, land/environment; for the next time this happens in the future.
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09-12-2017, 05:22 PM
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The opposite to fact is fiction.
So how about we prevent conflict and end the conversation until the facts come out?
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09-12-2017, 05:23 PM
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Yes, my desire is for the facts to come out, and to do what I can to ensure that happens.
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Yes, my desire is for the facts to come out, and to do what I can to ensure that happens.
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You want the facts to come out so you start with malicious rumours and insult the individuals there at ground zero doing the best they can under extremely trying conditions.
Sad that crap like this is tolerated on this forum.
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09-12-2017, 06:09 PM
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You want the facts to come out so you start with malicious rumours and insult the individuals there at ground zero doing the best they can under extremely trying conditions.
Sad that crap like this is tolerated on this forum.
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Give me a break. It is a legitimate question as there was a lot of talk of burning fuel prior to the fire coming down the akamina parkway. Nobody is insulting anyone.
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09-12-2017, 05:27 PM
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If they had been allowed to do more strip logging like the Star Creek research site on the B.C. side this fire might have been stopped before it became a beast. All those conservation groups who tell us controlled burning is the way to go in the future should look at the Waterton fire and rethink their theories.
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09-12-2017, 06:24 PM
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The complete lack of communication is what is astounding. I live in the area. I have family and friends that have been directly impacted and too a man the one thing they lack is communication. Any information that is getting out is from leaks. People can't prepare for what is coming or not coming. People can't even be told if they still have a home or not.
In this day and age I can't wrap my head around that.
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The complete lack of communication is what is astounding. I live in the area. I have family and friends that have been directly impacted and too a man the one thing they lack is communication. Any information that is getting out is from leaks. People can't prepare for what is coming or not coming. People can't even be told if they still have a home or not.
In this day and age I can't wrap my head around that.
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We were at our cabin in Montana when the fire started at Gibhaltra and it is amazing the daily updates and mapping on my facebook page. That is one organized State they have..... Communication to everyone is unbelievable.
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09-12-2017, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by artie
If they had been allowed to do more strip logging like the Star Creek research site on the B.C. side this fire might have been stopped before it became a beast. All those conservation groups who tell us controlled burning is the way to go in the future should look at the Waterton fire and rethink their theories.
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Oh come on. Using an emergency to first smear federal staff and now claiming its because of too much conservation. Give your head a shake.
They'll be plenty of time to speculate the cause, the contributing factors, and why BC has just had its biggest fire season ever, but it's pretty bad taste to try and score political points while people are out of their homes and some are losing them.
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09-12-2017, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighorn River
Oh come on. Using an emergency to first smear federal staff and now claiming its because of too much conservation. Give your head a shake.
They'll be plenty of time to speculate the cause, the contributing factors, and why BC has just had its biggest fire season ever, but it's pretty bad taste to try and score political points while people are out of their homes and some are losing them.
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nothing political about it just speaking the truth as I see it.
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09-12-2017, 05:25 PM
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I heard that rumor this morning at Waterton Colony as well. I replied that I heard much the same rumor during the Granum fire of 1997 which was flat out BS. Ever wonder how far out in the prairie a burning ember blown off the top of a mountain by an 80-90 kph wind could land and start a fire. Embers in the Granum fire on flat land was lighting fires 500 metres ahead of the fire front.
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I heard that rumor this morning at Waterton Colony as well. I replied that I heard much the same rumor during the Granum fire of 1997 which was flat out BS. Ever wonder how far out in the prairie a burning ember blown off the top of a mountain by an 80-90 kph wind could land and start a fire. Embers in the Granum fire on flat land was lighting fires 500 metres ahead of the fire front.
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Exactly what started happening with the Suffield fire by Hanna and Blindloss...This is all basically crop land but the wind is throwing the embers ahead of the original fire....
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Originally Posted by Marty S
This is not fact, but is the story on the ground from farmers/ranchers battling the fire.
Sounds like some really, really smart Parks Canada people tried a controlled burn yesterday, this is unofficial but what locals are saying.
An uncontrolled burn in tinder box dry condition with a very strong west wind, right next to sections upon sections of tinder box dry, tall dead prairie grass
If this is true; Brings about a whole new meaning to the word, STUPID!!!!!!!
Numerous ranches lost. One in existense 160 years
100 horses dead on one ranch, many cattle herds burned to death.
Locals up all night pushing cattle down to the river in hopes of cows saving themselves when the flames come thru.
Red ash raining down from the fire great distances from the burn.
It's an unbelievable mess.
One plus... there is an army of men in black and many others on the ground battling the fire and moving very expensive farm equipment away.
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On the news they are saying it was military planes taking off and landing under unsafe conditions that caused the fire's.
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Whatever started it here's hoping the moisture and cooler temps that we seem to be getting in southern Alberta gets it under control. It looks like on the map I saw that literally half waterton park is burned, hopefully that isn't the case. It if it is it looks like waterton may be returning to a more open grassland mountain range.
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Originally Posted by slough shark
Whatever started it here's hoping the moisture and cooler temps that we seem to be getting in southern Alberta gets it under control. It looks like on the map I saw that literally half waterton park is burned, hopefully that isn't the case. It if it is it looks like waterton may be returning to a more open grassland mountain range.
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The last map of the fire I saw shows what looks like more than half the park has burned and heading east. Looks like it is into the Font creek valley and on Sage mountain in the Westcastle now as well.
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The last map of the fire I saw shows what looks like more than half the park has burned and heading east. Looks like it is into the Font creek valley and on Sage mountain in the Westcastle now as well.
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Is Sage mountain not in the south castle?
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09-13-2017, 07:43 AM
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I actually don't think anything in the original post is accurate.
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Is Sage mountain not in the south castle?
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It's in the Castle now. Get it? South, north, east, west, who really cares. It's not that big of an area... Some of us locals just refer to it as Westcastle or the Castle.
I'll let you know when East Castle is burning if it does as I stare at the whole Castle area out my front window.
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Originally Posted by crazy_davey
The last map of the fire I saw shows what looks like more than half the park has burned and heading east. Looks like it is into the Font creek valley and on Sage mountain in the Westcastle now as well.
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Man that sucks, hopefully they can get the upper hand now with more favourable conditions, you guys getting rain or snow down there now?
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Overcast and cool. Water bombers are parked this morning which seems odd.
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Originally Posted by slough shark
Whatever started it here's hoping the moisture and cooler temps that we seem to be getting in southern Alberta gets it under control. It looks like on the map I saw that literally half waterton park is burned, hopefully that isn't the case. It if it is it looks like waterton may be returning to a more open grassland mountain range.
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Actually the number is 80% of the park is burnt , not burnt is crypt , vimy , and chief mt areas.
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