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03-05-2015, 09:48 PM
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hunting on road allowances
I just read an article in the mountain view county gazzette that said that the county's of Rockyview and Mountainview are lobbying the government to end hunting on unmaintained road allowances. It also says that there doesn't seem to be any opposition to this .it won't affect me as I dont usually hunt them but I know many birders do so I just thought I'd inform you all in case anyone cares to get involved. Sorry if this was already posted
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03-05-2015, 11:01 PM
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“This is not about access. There is no intent to deny public access on undeveloped road allowances. This is not about an individual landowner. This is not about attempting to deny public access on a road allowance. This is about something that is unethical and wrong.”
Someone obviously hasn't tried to access any undeveloped road allowances. If they had, they would have found their access blocked by fences and no trespassing signs.
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03-05-2015, 11:37 PM
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It's not yet about denying access.
How do you eat an elephant?
One little piece at a time.
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03-06-2015, 12:42 AM
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The article states: “make it unlawful to discharge a weapon along or across an undeveloped road allowance unless they have permission to hunt on the adjacent private land.”
I think that they should amend the proposal to allow for bird hunting with a shotgun or small caliber rifle without permission to hunt on the adjacent land. I've shot a lot of chickens on road allowances/ditches without having to trespass to retrieve them. Not the best place to be shooting a big game animal due to the possibility of having to access private property in order to retrieve it though.
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03-06-2015, 01:30 AM
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There was a thread on this last year. Search function time...
The proposed change will give private individuals exclusive hunting privileges to Public Land.
IMO, this is not acceptable and would be a very dangerous precedent.
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03-06-2015, 08:11 AM
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03-06-2015, 04:47 PM
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Montana landowners were successful in using this type of deal to effectively lock up access to huge areas of public land that was surrounded by their properties. Hopefully this isn't the 'thin edge of the wedge' leading to something similar.
In any instance it seems to me that the onus is on us as hunters to oppose any revocation of rights on public land but also to act like proper sportsmen and not give anyone the ammunition they need to push for changes like this.
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03-06-2015, 05:00 PM
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Death by a thousand cuts
This is yet another attempt by Rockyview County to stop hunting / shooting.
A couple years ago, remember they (RVC) proposed a ban on hunting or shooting on parcels of under a 1/4 section that was well hidden in their proposed "Community Standards bylaws" ?
A lot of land owners in RVC wrote and visited and got this stopped.
This proposal is in response to one very vocal person who doesn't like people hunting "near" his land.
Instead of you guys debating this, get off your butts and write your MLA, your local representative, F&W and whomever else you can think of.
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06-22-2015, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thrude1
I just read an article in the mountain view county gazzette that said that the county's of Rockyview and Mountainview are lobbying the government to end hunting on unmaintained road allowances. It also says that there doesn't seem to be any opposition to this .it won't affect me as I dont usually hunt them but I know many birders do so I just thought I'd inform you all in case anyone cares to get involved. Sorry if this was already posted
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I don't mind the bird hunters but the big game hunters seem to talk advantage of this all the time they should close road allowances in big game season
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06-22-2015, 07:17 PM
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I don't mind the bird hunters but the big game hunters seem to talk advantage of this all the time they should close road allowances in big game season
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How about with road allowances leading to crown land. I deal with the worst neighbouring land owner ever about using the road allowance to access 1500acres of crown land. He does everything cuts trees down piles berms you name it. But has stands every where back there.
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06-22-2015, 09:24 PM
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Clarification required
This is a bit of a derail, but I have stewed about a term in use here for years.
What the F is a "HIGH POWERED rifle"?
If we all switched to low powered rifles, would a lot of the perceptual difficulties disappear?
Where does one obtain a low powered rifle; is a licence required?
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06-22-2015, 10:01 PM
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To continue the derail.
Only if the projectile is under 500 fps?
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06-23-2015, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OldBadger
This is a bit of a derail, but I have stewed about a term in use here for years.
What the F is a "HIGH POWERED rifle"?
If we all switched to low powered rifles, would a lot of the perceptual difficulties disappear?
Where does one obtain a low powered rifle; is a licence required?
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All sarcasm aside, intended or otherwise, I think we can safely label any firearm suitable for big game use as a high powered rifle. Furthermore, we can label any of the small centerfires and some of the newer rimfires as high powered by virtue of their muzzle velocity rather than energy. What is the mv cutoff point? Dunno. What is the me cutoff point? Dunno. I would like to think of myself as a reasonable person but I am not an expert.
If you can legally shoot big game with it it is high powered. If it is capable of shooting varmints at greater distance where sub moa accuracy is a must it is high powered. Both of these classifications can be dangerous on a narrow strip of land that is used as a 'main artery' of sorts by all manner of folks enjoying the outdoors whether hunting or just out for a walk. I feel discharging a firearm in this manner is purely unsafe. Period.
As for the low powered options, particularly the rimfires employed by the casual varmint hunter or ground shooting bird hunter, the muzzle is pointed below parallel with the horizon and shots are close. The risk to others is minimal if these firearms are employed in such a manner. And of course birdshot loses energy and velocity far too quickly for it to be a hazard if used responsibility.
Note I am making assumptions that the hunter is a responsible individual with a thorough understanding of the capabilities, and limitations of their firearm.
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06-23-2015, 08:47 AM
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landowner rights
Just a quick comment. I live in a city. I own my home. What if I came home to find strangers lounging on my deck or using my hot tub or simply parked on my driveway? Just because someone lives in the country and owns a much larger portion of land does not diminish their rights.
If my neighbor's ball was hit into my back yard I would expect they would ask to enter and retrieve it. I would not expect them to ask in advance just in case it did. Apples and oranges I know. But sometimes the unexpected happens. As a hunter, if I planned to be hunting near to private land I would always preemptively seek permission for retrieval as a convenience if nothing else. I have hunted birds along ura's many times in the past and typically I have knocked on a door or two just to let folks know I was going to be there as a courtesy. Often land owners are a little shocked that I said anything and it has led a few times to good relations. That being said, there are a few 'douches' out there.
We need to be courtious, respectful and responsible as hunters. Lead by example. It will go a long way to opening doors - and land - in the future.
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09-19-2015, 12:43 PM
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From strathcona county website, all road allowances are county property. Hunting is NOT permitted on any county property in bold. To boot, it's also brutal in regards to getting permission.
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10-15-2015, 12:38 PM
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Alberta Environment and Parks - No plans to restrict hunting on undeveloped road allowances
http://www.mountainviewgazette.ca/No...ances-20150915
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10-15-2015, 01:27 PM
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Good news.
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10-15-2015, 02:24 PM
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As a Wildrose member, I must say that I am impressed with the NDP on this issue.
Even if I do feel a bit nauseous saying so.
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10-15-2015, 04:29 PM
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As a Wildrose member, I must say that I am impressed with the NDP on this issue.
Even if I do feel a bit nauseous saying so.
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feel better, that was not the NDP who said that. Executive Director, Fish and Wildlife Policy Travis Ripley, government of Alberta employee.
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