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Now that servers make 15$ what has changed.
Don't see anq less servers in the places I frequent. Alberta always had far higher restaurant prices than B.C, Sask or Man and we still do. Service hasn't improved but you also don't see help wanted signs in every restaurant window.
I rarely tipped before and now I never tip. How many of you are still tipping regualrly, seeing as how the servers are now well paid?
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It's not $15 yet, it goes up a dollar in October to $12.20, then 2 more staged increases to get to $15 by the end of 2018
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It's not $15 yet, it goes up a dollar in October to $12.20, then 2 more staged increases to get to $15 by the end of 2018
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We already had the 12.20 bump, this October takes it into the 13's
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Except for poor service, I always tip. I will continue to tip for good service when min reaches 15.
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everywhere I have been the service has been good. I tip when service is good. The part that has always bothered me is cheapskate pinhead owners telling their staff to live on tips. Pay peanuts get monkeys I guess.
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What's the standard of good service?
"Good Service" whats that look like?
- acknowledged when we enter
- clean premises
- waters while reading the menu?
- friendly demeanor
- a comment if the kitchen just got slammed with a big group order
- food served at it's appropriate temp and properly prepared
- come ask if it's to our liking and checking on drinks
- one more check on drinks
- plates cleared as we finish
- don't handle my glass by the rim
Is that worth 15%?
What warrants 20% or more?
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Except for poor service, I always tip. I will continue to tip for good service when min reaches 15.
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Don't see anq less servers in the places I frequent. Alberta always had far higher restaurant prices than B.C, Sask or Man and we still do. Service hasn't improved but you also don't see help wanted signs in every restaurant window.
I rarely tipped before and now I never tip. How many of you are still tipping regualrly, seeing as how the servers are now well paid?
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Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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Are you telling us the servers "pay" the cooks/bartenders whether or not they get a tip?...really?
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07-15-2017, 07:48 PM
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When I was young I was aserver in high end restaurants. I also cooked in some for a few years. As a server I appreciated good tips but I provided EXEMPLARY service, far and above anything you see in 90% of places today. If I got that kind of service I would tip but I sure as heck won't for the just doing their job service you get most places.
Also, I really don't care who screwed up my dining experience, if my server or the manager can't make it right do u really believe a tip is still warranted. You must be kidding.
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Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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No offence to your wife's place of work, but if this is truly the case then this is not a great situation for many reasons...
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Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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That is just absolute bull excrement. If this is a mid end place charging $8 for a bowl of soup, $30+ for a steak or chicken meal, $3.00 for a glass of ice decorated with colored water and another $7.50 for dessert, they are making money and can afford to pay their staff. Time to move on to the next place. Turnover is always high in restaurants, it seems, this may be why.
My daughter worked at Brewhouse Lloydminster, and if patrons skipped out on the bill they took it out of the waitresses cheque. She ended that deal quick. These goddamn restaurant owners need some reform.
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Well for me good service gets no tip. I tip when the aervice is beyond the bottom standard. Because frankly why should i give you more money for doing your job the way you are supposed to. The wage increase just makes me more rigid in this. Also bartenders dont get squat unless they make me a decent mixed drink im sorry but piviting 180° to grab a beer does exactly qualify for more money.
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Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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I have never worked as a server in a restaurant, but have known several friends that have. None of them have ever paid the cook or bartender when they were not tipped, so anyone that is working for such a place shouldn't complain about it if that is a one in a million restaurant that is deducting pay and they choose to keep working there. There must be more to this story that we are not hearing about. I know of two local restaurants that have their servers put all the tips into a jar, and at the end of the shift it gets divided to everyone, even the lazy folks that didn't put any in. I refuse to tip at such places, and have told the servers that I will give them the tip directly, and if I hear that they threw it into the commons jar, I'll not tip there again. I also don't believe that restaurants are the only place to tip good services rendered, often even a little extra coffee money to mechanics and hairdressers and such can make someones day.
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It's none of my business who tips. I always have and always will based on the service given. However, on occasions when things have been a gong show, I have not. Those occasions are when the wait staff made me wait an inordinate amount of time, screwed up my order and were rude about it etc.... stuff in their power to change.
As for the surprise by many of you that wait staff have to "tip out" on their sales at the end of their shift leads me to believe that many of you did not work in restaurants growing up. I worked in many restaurants and bars in my university days (mid 80s to early 90s). Each and every establishment made us "tip out" a certain percentage of our ring out to bar staff and kitchen staff, the idea being that they contributed to the dining experience that you were benefiting from. To my recollection, I don't remember anyone complaining, it just was what it was. You would work hard to give every table good service, as you knew that if they didn't tip you, it was actually going to cost you a bit. My memory is foggy, but it was like 1.5 - 2%. But back then you had to work for a job so you didn't whine because you knew that they could easily replace you.
Those days just engrained the practice in me. I generally tip between 10-15% and have done 20% on occasion where the server's great work just topped off a wonderful evening.
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I always tip. If it is great service I tip 20%. I did once tip 50% to a server who, on her own, recognized that my steak was not done to my specifications. I was comped the steak and given a brand-new one by the manager. For a table of eight she made out very very well when she could've ignored the situation in which I would not have complained in front of others.
With really poor service I tip a dollar just so they know that I did not forget to tip.
Frankly, if you don't tip you're a dink.
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I always tip. If it is great service I tip 20%. I did once tip 50% to a server who, on her own, recognized that my steak was not done to my specifications. I was comped the steak and given a brand-new one by the manager. For a table of eight she made out very very well when she could've ignored the situation in which I would not have complained in front of others.
With really poor service I tip a dollar just so they know that I did not forget to tip.
Frankly, if you don't tip you're a dink.
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Service has to do with whom simply delivers the product to your table. But what about the cook? If you've sent the steak back, maybe the cook spit on it's 2nd serving and the server delivers it with a smile, and you're a happy camper. Just saying.
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I have never worked as a server in a restaurant, but have known several friends that have. None of them have ever paid the cook or bartender when they were not tipped, so anyone that is working for such a place shouldn't complain about it if that is a one in a million restaurant that is deducting pay and they choose to keep working there. There must be more to this story that we are not hearing about. I know of two local restaurants that have their servers put all the tips into a jar, and at the end of the shift it gets divided to everyone, even the lazy folks that didn't put any in. I refuse to tip at such places, and have told the servers that I will give them the tip directly, and if I hear that they threw it into the commons jar, I'll not tip there again. I also don't believe that restaurants are the only place to tip good services rendered, often even a little extra coffee money to mechanics and hairdressers and such can make someones day.
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There are rare occasions where guests don't tip but yes it does come from her pay. Not saying it happens 10 times a night but it does happen. The rare occasion it does happen is no need to jump ship and find a new job. She is very good at what she does and rarely has this happen. Only when you have the customer that believes the are a high roller as mentioned and think they deserve to be waited on hand and foot or when the customer believes that the server is making too much at minimum wage.
When a customer leaves without paying she has never had the bill come out her pocket. The establishment she works at is very understanding if the work she does and is grateful to have good servers. Things happen and there are people in this world that leave without paying.
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"Now that servers make 15$ what has changed"
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Industry suicide? It's a minimum wage increase in Alberta, not a raise for Waiters and Waitresses specifically. If anything the restaurant industry is against the raise.
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I have never worked as a server in a restaurant, but have known several friends that have. None of them have ever paid the cook or bartender when they were not tipped, so anyone that is working for such a place shouldn't complain about it if that is a one in a million restaurant that is deducting pay and they choose to keep working there. There must be more to this story that we are not hearing about. I know of two local restaurants that have their servers put all the tips into a jar, and at the end of the shift it gets divided to everyone, even the lazy folks that didn't put any in. I refuse to tip at such places, and have told the servers that I will give them the tip directly, and if I hear that they threw it into the commons jar, I'll not tip there again. I also don't believe that restaurants are the only place to tip good services rendered, often even a little extra coffee money to mechanics and hairdressers and such can make someones day.
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Cora's restaurants work on this basis. The servers have to give a percentage of their ring out at the end of the shift.
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outside north America you don't tip
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The whole tipping thing is out of control especially in Canada, aside from the US I don't tip anywhere else. In Canada I don't feel the need to tip... regardless of service/food.
In the US its a different story. In most states they have 2 minimum wages. The standard minimum wage and the minimum tipped wage.
The minimum tipped wage is as low as $2.13 in many areas, because of the low wages they rely on tips thus making the service that much better. For the most part the service in Calgary is inconsistent at best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped..._United_States
As you know in Canadian provinces we have a single minimum wage but yet we are expected to tip as though our servers were making less than everyone else. When was the last time you tipped your cashier, the person bagging your groceries, the associate helping you pick out a fishing rod?
How did a 15% or 20% tips become the norm? And how the hell does automatic gratuity become a standard for larger parties? Why am i forced to pay a 20% tip because I have a table of 6 or more (I've even seen it for parties as small as 5). I refuse to eat at any restaurant that has automatic gratuity when eating with friends... the whole idea is ludicrous.
Why cant restaurants here just follow the European model and pay their servers more and charge more for their food?
In case anyone was wondering, I've worked in the service industry for 10+ years serving, bartending and managing and know first hand how entitled people in the service industry have become. It used to be about rewarding good service now its basically expected regardless of how ****ty the service is.
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Why cant restaurants here just follow the European model and pay their servers more and charge more for their food?
In case anyone was wondering, I've worked in the service industry for 10+ years serving, bartending and managing and know first hand how entitled people in the service industry have become. It used to be about rewarding good service now its basically expected regardless of how ****ty the service is.
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If they charged more for their food I would never eat out. Prices are getting absolutely ridiculous on everything lately.
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I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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The whole tipping thing is out of control especially in Canada, aside from the US I don't tip anywhere else. In Canada I don't feel the need to tip... regardless of service/food.
In the US its a different story. In most states they have 2 minimum wages. The standard minimum wage and the minimum tipped wage.
The minimum tipped wage is as low as $2.13 in many areas, because of the low wages they rely on tips thus making the service that much better. For the most part the service in Calgary is inconsistent at best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped..._United_States
As you know in Canadian provinces we have a single minimum wage but yet we are expected to tip as though our servers were making less than everyone else. When was the last time you tipped your cashier, the person bagging your groceries, the associate helping you pick out a fishing rod?
How did a 15% or 20% tips become the norm? And how the hell does automatic gratuity become a standard for larger parties? Why am i forced to pay a 20% tip because I have a table of 6 or more (I've even seen it for parties as small as 5). I refuse to eat at any restaurant that has automatic gratuity when eating with friends... the whole idea is ludicrous.
Why cant restaurants here just follow the European model and pay their servers more and charge more for their food?
In case anyone was wondering, I've worked in the service industry for 10+ years serving, bartending and managing and know first hand how entitled people in the service industry have become. It used to be about rewarding good service now its basically expected regardless of how ****ty the service is.
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Canada has a 2 tiered wage scale as well. Alberta eliminated it in 2016 but in a few provinces, they start off at at a $1 or $2 less than regular minimum wage.
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The whole tipping thing is out of control especially in Canada, aside from the US I don't tip anywhere else. In Canada I don't feel the need to tip... regardless of service/food.
In the US its a different story. In most states they have 2 minimum wages. The standard minimum wage and the minimum tipped wage.
The minimum tipped wage is as low as $2.13 in many areas, because of the low wages they rely on tips thus making the service that much better. For the most part the service in Calgary is inconsistent at best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped..._United_States
As you know in Canadian provinces we have a single minimum wage but yet we are expected to tip as though our servers were making less than everyone else. When was the last time you tipped your cashier, the person bagging your groceries, the associate helping you pick out a fishing rod?
How did a 15% or 20% tips become the norm? And how the hell does automatic gratuity become a standard for larger parties? Why am i forced to pay a 20% tip because I have a table of 6 or more (I've even seen it for parties as small as 5). I refuse to eat at any restaurant that has automatic gratuity when eating with friends... the whole idea is ludicrous.
Why cant restaurants here just follow the European model and pay their servers more and charge more for their food?
In case anyone was wondering, I've worked in the service industry for 10+ years serving, bartending and managing and know first hand how entitled people in the service industry have become. It used to be about rewarding good service now its basically expected regardless of how ****ty the service is.
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Couldn't agree more, there's no reason that a customer should be held as an emotional hostage and "forced" by convention to pay for the wage of someone else's employee. Charge enough to pay your employees a decent wage and be done with it.
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07-18-2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dangerranger5143
Why wouldn't you tip? That's always being customary in the food service industry where you are waited on. If you have good service from a server you should tip them for doing a good job and making sure your experience at the resteraunt was an enjoyable one. If the experience is poor, it is not always the servers fault. Just because the food was not good doesn't mean you shouldn't tip. The server is not back there cooking your food. He or she only delivers the order to the kitchen and they prepare it. I know a lot of people base their tips off of food quality. That should not be the case.
The fiancé put herself through college and is still currently a server. What you may not realize is that if there is no tip they have to pay out the kitchen and the bar a certain percentage out of their pocket. By not tipping you are dropping their hourly wage down to pay out the others that don't recieve the tips for the work they perform. On average it's about 7-10% per bill. On a $50 bill it could be up to $5. Doesn't seem like much but when you go from $13 an hour down to $8 an hour that hurts.
After seeing her come home from long 10-12 hours days and being dead tired I always tip my server. To anyone who doesn't tip I would love to see you do what they do. 5-10 tables at all times, and keeping them all happy and making sure their experience is enjoyable. I couldn't do it and I'd love to see others try.
Just my 2 cents.
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Oh my gosh. 5-10 tables you say? That sounds impossible. I'd love to see them pack 3/4" plywood sheets, cam locks, and rebar all day. Bent over nailing together walls for houses, then standing them. I tip for good service, but don't act like serving is some ungodly difficult job. If they want to walk around all day and cater to people all day and make good money, maybe they should go to school to be a nurse? I've dealt with maybe 1 in 5 servers that are worthy of a tip, but society has made it so that I have to feel guilty if I don't tip every half assed person that brings me food. All minimum wage jobs are stepping stones in life. They are not meant to live off of perminantly. Better yourself and life will be better. And to the people who whine because they were injured at work, get your certification as a safety officer and get hired by any one of the hundreds of companies that employ them, why settle for minimum wage ever?
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07-18-2017, 08:54 PM
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Oh my gosh. 5-10 tables you say? That sounds impossible. I'd love to see them pack 3/4" plywood sheets, cam locks, and rebar all day. Bent over nailing together walls for houses, then standing them. I tip for good service, but don't act like serving is some ungodly difficult job. If they want to walk around all day and cater to people all day and make good money, maybe they should go to school to be a nurse? I've dealt with maybe 1 in 5 servers that are worthy of a tip, but society has made it so that I have to feel guilty if I don't tip every half assed person that brings me food. All minimum wage jobs are stepping stones in life. They are not meant to live off of perminantly. Better yourself and life will be better. And to the people who whine because they were injured at work, get your certification as a safety officer and get hired by any one of the hundreds of companies that employ them, why settle for minimum wage ever?
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Wow someone needs a snickers bar......
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07-19-2017, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Coyotebutcher
Oh my gosh. 5-10 tables you say? That sounds impossible. I'd love to see them pack 3/4" plywood sheets, cam locks, and rebar all day. Bent over nailing together walls for houses, then standing them. I tip for good service, but don't act like serving is some ungodly difficult job. If they want to walk around all day and cater to people all day and make good money, maybe they should go to school to be a nurse? I've dealt with maybe 1 in 5 servers that are worthy of a tip, but society has made it so that I have to feel guilty if I don't tip every half assed person that brings me food. All minimum wage jobs are stepping stones in life. They are not meant to live off of perminantly. Better yourself and life will be better. And to the people who whine because they were injured at work, get your certification as a safety officer and get hired by any one of the hundreds of companies that employ them, why settle for minimum wage ever?
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And of course the guy who's spent years in University to become a doctor (or some such) thinks it ridiculous that you get highly paid to do nothing but nail together a few boards...something any idiot can do.
There's always someone higher up the food chain who thinks you're overpaid for what you do.
But crap travels downhill, right...so I guess it's your right to crap on the servers.
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07-20-2017, 06:14 PM
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And of course the guy who's spent years in University to become a doctor (or some such) thinks it ridiculous that you get highly paid to do nothing but nail together a few boards...something any idiot can do.
There's always someone higher up the food chain who thinks you're overpaid for what you do.
But crap travels downhill, right...so I guess it's your right to crap on the servers.
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Funny how you put it that way. I'm currently watching my neighbor, who thought any idiot could put nails into boards. He ripping his entire fence out and rebuilding it after 2 years, because it was falling apart. Not to mention how many poorly built structures I've seen not last 10 years because any idiot can do it. If anyone can do it, why do those doctors pay guys like me tens of thousands of dollars to build their houses? Why do billionaires like Daryl kats pay dummies like me $600m to build their arenas for them? I'm not offended by your comment, I'm very proud to be a tradesman, not everyone is capable of the things that I am, and visa versa. But to say that all minimum wage workers are worth $15/hr is a terrible error in thinking, and it will cost us all much more just to pay for day to day items. Also, to be fair, if a minimum wage worker is worth more, and has made themselves valuable to the employer, more than likely the employer is willing to pay them $15/hr or more anyways.
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07-20-2017, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Coyotebutcher
Funny how you put it that way. I'm currently watching my neighbor, who thought any idiot could put nails into boards. He ripping his entire fence out and rebuilding it after 2 years, because it was falling apart. Not to mention how many poorly built structures I've seen not last 10 years because any idiot can do it. If anyone can do it, why do those doctors pay guys like me tens of thousands of dollars to build their houses? Why do billionaires like Daryl kats pay dummies like me $600m to build their arenas for them? I'm not offended by your comment, I'm very proud to be a tradesman, not everyone is capable of the things that I am, and visa versa. But to say that all minimum wage workers are worth $15/hr is a terrible error in thinking, and it will cost us all much more just to pay for day to day items. Also, to be fair, if a minimum wage worker is worth more, and has made themselves valuable to the employer, more than likely the employer is willing to pay them $15/hr or more anyways.
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I think you missed the sarcasm bobtodrick was attempting there.
or I am missing yours.
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