Lloydminster RCMP

[Iron Brew]

I haven't seen this, so if it is a double post, my apologies. My comments will be at the bottom. Mods - if this is a double post, please delete.

http://www.meridianbooster.com/2015/...get-new-gear-2

The RCMP in Lloydminster has quietly received new equipment that will aid them in policing.

“The RCMP is working on rolling out the C8 carbine to the detachments, as well as hard body armour,” said Constable Grant Kirzinger of the Lloydminster RCMP.

“It’s something that we have received, that we have at our detachment, and we have members that are trained with that. We’ll continue to be looking to do more training with the new equipment.”

The exact number of both of those items could not be disclosed, but Kirzinger believes that the items are needed. The use of carbines was a move by the RCMP in the wake of a major incident which occurred in Mayorthorpe, AB in 2005. 375 rifles were initially ordered back in 2011.

“The tools that we use in our job change regularly, and the threats that we deal with are very dynamic in nature,” said Kirzinger.

“A lot of them are serious, and it has been determined and decided that we need better equipment to deal with specific situations, and to help us deal with different threat levels. Unfortunately, there is availability of firearms to the general public, and it’s something that we need to make sure we’re taking seriously, and preparing for.”

The improved body armour has been present at the detachment for a long period of time, according to Kirzinger. The rifle is a fairly recent addition.

“The hard body armour is something that we do utilize, and carry with us to many of the serious calls that we attend, just to make sure that we are well-equipped,” said Kirzinger.

“It’s a very standard thing. Equipment is a thing that is issued to us by Ottawa, and they determine what it is that we’re able to get.”

As for any new equipment that could be headed to Lloydminster, Kirzinger believes that anything that does come will be beneficial.

“For now we’ll just wait and see what else the RCMP and the government decide that will help us do our jobs the best,” said Kirzinger.






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"Unfortunately, there is availability of firearms to the general public."

WTF? The Mounties are actually saying this in public now?

And a C8 is now a patrol carbine, not an assault rifle... Different when it is not the public, apparently.

Frikken media...

[Matt L.]

Yay. Some more goodies for the cops to have stolen from them.

[58thecat]

Join up boys, walk a mile in their boots and see how things are but I know 98% wouldn't even get past basic training so carry on complaining!

[C Taylor]

I've got no problem having RCMP or police armored an armed to the teeth. They should never have to go under gunned.
I do have a problem when someone thinks I shouldn't have guns.

[recce43]

what I think that the OP was trying to get across was How the media calls it a carbine when the rcmp have them but if Joe public owns one its a assault rifle

[recce43]

Originally Posted by recce43

what I think that the OP was trying to get across was How the media calls it a carbine when the rcmp have them but if Joe public owns one its a assault rifle

Or assault weapon LOL Not even sure where the media got that one they just like to scare the public

[crownb]

Originally Posted by C Taylor

I've got no problem having RCMP or police armored an armed to the teeth. They should never have to go under gunned.
I do have a problem when someone thinks I shouldn't have guns.

100 per cent agreed!!!!!!!

[Scotty454]

Originally Posted by C Taylor

I've got no problem having RCMP or police armored an armed to the teeth. They should never have to go under gunned.
I do have a problem when someone thinks I shouldn't have guns.

This, for sure. There's no reason that the RCMP or police should not have access to the same guns/calibers that I do. Intentionally forcing them to be out gunned (by criminals that probably have illegal access to even greater firepower) when the **** hits the fan is not right.

I also fully support your second point. Why restrict my access if I'm in complete compliance (and then some- I go beyond bare minimums with transport and storage security) with the law?

[Suka]

Everybody thinks they work harder than anyone else.

Judging by the average officer I see's physical shape I suspect your, "98% of us couldn't pass basic training" is a little high, like maybe about 98% of your estimate.

Yes, it's a stressfull job few of us want, but let's be honest, it's NOT a dangerous one statistically, in fact in Canada being a secretary in an insurance office is stastically more dangerous, look it up.

Didn't mean to start an arguement I just get tired of hearing about that imaginary cross that's borne while officers seem to be getting more aggressive and untrustorthy by the year. A little reality needs to be injected from time to time.

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Join up boys, walk a mile in their boots and see how things are but I know 98% wouldn't even get past basic training so carry on complaining!

Lol distraction. Red herring.

That's like saying abortion is only a woman's issue, and men have no say or input.

Arguments are void of gender, orientation, and yes, police or non.

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to see the double standard of the R.C.M.P calling them patrol carbines for them and assault rifles for us. Not only that but their standard capacity magazines are apparently safer in their hands...

Lol. I would smoke the training I'm sure of it. My dad was an R.C.M.P member for 35 years and I am quite a physically and mentally capable.

Don't detract.

While they may want the body armour to be/feel safer, what a canard to push that THEY are safer while having an AR variation rifle and 30 round magazine but that it is unfortunate that the general public has firearms.

This is a brainwashing piece to condition the public that the police and military are the only ones who should have firearms. Pure hogwash.

To defend the militarization of our police forces is tyranny.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by connexion123

Lol distraction. Red herring.

That's like saying abortion is only a woman's issue, and men have no say or input.

Arguments are void of gender, orientation, and yes, police or non.

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to see the double standard of the R.C.M.P calling them patrol carbines for them and assault rifles for us. Not only that but their standard capacity magazines are apparently safer in their hands...

Lol. I would smoke the training I'm sure of it. My dad was an R.C.M.P member for 35 years and I am quite a physically and mentally capable.

Don't detract.

While they may want the body armour to be/feel safer, what a canard to push that THEY are safer while having an AR variation rifle and 30 round magazine but that it is unfortunate that the general public has firearms.

This is a brainwashing piece to condition the public that the police and military are the only ones who should have firearms. Pure hogwash.

To defend the militarization of our police forces is tyranny.

I could not have said it better myself.

Why not a Beretta CX4 Carbine? Common ammo with their current 9mm platform? And not a GAS TUBE rifle that is more maintenance.. of course 5.56 vs 9mm is certainly more lethal, but if they miss, where is that 5.56 going? .....

And the RCMP love toys, who wants to bet the next RCMP shootings take place with their new 'Patrol Carbines'... scary.

Patrol Carbine... WTF... on patrol, you are taking your AR for a walk? F^*$ FAIL! Not even joe citizen can just 'take their AR for a walk around their property......

[crownb]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Join up boys, walk a mile in their boots and see how things are but I know 98% wouldn't even get past basic training so carry on complaining!

Wow, did you read the article, the op wasn't complaining about whiny police officers who can't do their job, he was simply making a point about one of the comments, which by the way was completely uncalled for, unfortunately it is how a lot feel.

[jvillads]

Originally Posted by C Taylor

I've got no problem having RCMP or police armored an armed to the teeth. They should never have to go under gunned.
I do have a problem when someone thinks I shouldn't have guns.

Originally Posted by crownb

Wow, did you read the article, the op wasn't complaining about whiny police officers who can't do their job, he was simply making a point about one of the comments, which by the way was completely uncalled for, unfortunately it is how a lot feel.

X2

[Rockman]

Yup. Happy for officers to have armor and proper guns and magazines. But it's unnecessary and ignorant to be commenting on "unfortunate" civy gun ownership. Also the mags and name.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by crownb

Wow, did you read the article, the op wasn't complaining about whiny police officers who can't do their job, he was simply making a point about one of the comments, which by the way was completely uncalled for, unfortunately it is how a lot feel.

Yeah maybe I jumped out with two guns blazing, just every time we have a RCMP topic they are bashed and I personally am sick of it. I always say to those who complain step up and make a difference or stand down and be silent.
Carbine, assault rifle, shotgun, shotty, scatter gun, potatoe, potato...
As for dangerous etc as the sun goes down the animals come out, that is what they deal with as our heads are on the pillow all tucked in our beds.

[crownb]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Yeah maybe I jumped out with two guns blazing, just every time we have a RCMP topic they are bashed and I personally am sick of it. I always say to those who complain step up and make a difference or stand down and be silent.
Carbine, assault rifle, shotgun, shotty, scatter gun, potatoe, potato...
As for dangerous etc as the sun goes down the animals come out, that is what they deal with as our heads are on the pillow all tucked in our beds.

No worries, I don't think anybody has bashed the RCMP yet on this thread, but I am sure it will come unfortunately, there is always a few jackazzes.

[propliner]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Yeah maybe I jumped out with two guns blazing, just every time we have a RCMP topic they are bashed and I personally am sick of it. I always say to those who complain step up and make a difference or stand down and be silent.
Carbine, assault rifle, shotgun, shotty, scatter gun, potatoe, potato...
As for dangerous etc as the sun goes down the animals come out, that is what they deal with as our heads are on the pillow all tucked in our beds.

Much worse dangers face those who log for our lumber, catch our fish, fly our planes, build our houses, find our oil, grow our food and deliver our goods. Sure, policing may not be such a pleasant job at times but to assume that that law enforcement is staring death in the eyes every night is a stretch. Arming them like we do our military troops is a leftist pacifier, and widens the divide in citizen-police relations (which may be at an all-time low already).

The politically-correct term "patrol carbine" is merely softening the fodder to sell the idea. Perhaps the privately held version should be referred to as the "sporting carbine", though it's not likely it ever will... it's too late for the concept to fly. The damage has already been done by the leftist lapdog media, as illustrated by the fine example in the above article. Vilification of gun owners continues ever-so-subtly.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

As for dangerous etc as the sun goes down the animals come out, that is what they deal with as our heads are on the pillow all tucked in our beds.

And when the bad guy breaks into our house we are supposed to dial 911 instead of defending our family......

God knows, we don't want to end up like Ian Thompson......


Police swear fealty to CANADA, they are NOT here to protect her citizens. And more often than not, they perform the duty of dead animal pickup, and chalk drawings.......

I feel safer already.

[gramps73]

why the thumb down?

[Iron Brew]

Originally Posted by gramps73

why the thumb down?

Quite simply, the comment about private firearms ownership.

[wwbirds]

Didn't notice that was a wiki link when what I wanted was a you tube link
Number One With a Bullet!
Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

[twofifty]

Brendan's dad your jumping all over the place on this subject has plum exhausted me. Good night.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by twofifty

Brendan's dad your jumping all over the place on this subject has plum exhausted me. Good night.

Not jumping around at all. Every time the RCMP are mentioned on AO and regardless of the topic, within 2 pages up comes Vancouver, Mayerthorpe, High River and any other black eye on the Force.

To clarify I don't feel the Force was rotten 50 years and I definitely don't feel it is rotten today. I actually believe it has improve on it's treatment of Members and accountability to the Public. The reason everyone now feels the RCMP has lost it's way is that while being transparent and accountable to the public the RCMP has made known the indiscretions of its Members. That does not mean that serious breaches of conduct did not take place 50 years ago, it's just we didn't know about it 50 years.

So instead of tearing them apart when information comes forward about misconduct, or criticizing them on the Carbine program while it is in it's infant stage, give them some credit for attempting to become better, that is all I am saying

And all you High River die hards, I know you don't agree that there was any transparency with the enquiry, but I believe that none of you would have been happy with the result until there was public executions or at least lashings with a wet noodle! So be it.

[coreya3212]

Good post Brendans Dad ( #198 ). To add a bit. I often feel some of the attacks on the RCMP on this forum stem from the Firearms Act. It seems to often be perceived that the RCMP are responsible for it. They aren't. The law was dropped in their lap and they exist to enforce the laws, not to agree or disagree with them. Even the list of Prohibited vs Restricted etc...they are charged with determining what firearm gets on what list. If I was an officer in charge of that making that list, it would be empty, and the perception would be that I wasn't doing my job, I suspect they would replace me with a liberal who would fill the lists....


I remember Randy leading the charge against the LGR and it seems to me his right hand held a list of police officers that were against it....