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03-03-2016, 09:10 AM
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sheep poachers fined
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In Alberta, outfitters and their guides are only permitted to hunt with their clients in Wildlife Management Units (WMUs) where they have an allocation. An “allocation” describes the licence opportunities that are available to outfitters and guides, which they use to provide contracted guiding services to hunters from outside of Alberta. The amount of allocations available can vary from WMU to WMU and is limited to ensure that any hunting is done sustainably.
In late January, a guide and his client pleaded guilty to offences related to shooting a bighorn ram in an area they did not have an allocation for. The ram, which was not of legal size to be hunted, was then covered in rocks and abandoned.
The guide, Logan Hunt, attended Rocky Mountain House Provincial Court and pleaded guilty to three counts under the Wildlife Act: hunting without a licence, unlawful possession of wildlife and abandoning the flesh of big game. He received fines totalling $25,000 and received a judicial order prohibiting him from hunting and guiding/outfitting for a period of one year. The judicial order also places restrictions on his ability to possess firearms.
Bruce Morgan, the client, also pleaded guilty to two counts under the Wildlife Act: unlawful possession of wildlife and abandoning the flesh of big game. Bruce Morgan received fines totalling $20,000 and received a recreational hunting licence suspension for a period of one year.
During their investigation, Fish and Wildlife Officers took a helicopter up to the location of the abandoned ram. The second picture shows the ram covered in rocks.
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03-03-2016, 09:13 AM
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I hate his story, makes me sick. What a black eye for everyone.
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03-03-2016, 09:14 AM
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The two of them should never be able to hunt again that is BS one year no hunting
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03-03-2016, 09:18 AM
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I would bet this is not the first time the outfitter has done this looks like he knows how to hide stuff in the rocks
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03-03-2016, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JDK71
I would bet this is not the first time the outfitter has done this looks like he knows how to hide stuff in the rocks
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The outfitter wasn't there when the guide and hunter tried to conceal the kill.
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03-03-2016, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LKILR
The outfitter wasn't there when the guide and hunter tried to conceal the kill.
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the guide works for the outfitter right you should know what your workers are doing
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03-03-2016, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JDK71
the guide works for the outfitter right you should know what your workers are doing
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I agree. But I know the outfitter did not conceal the ram. But he should accept responsibility for his guides actions.
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03-03-2016, 09:18 AM
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Old news. Repost. I think the kid learned his lesson. The hunter is a repeat offender. They need to go after the outfitter as well. He's the one who profited the most from this crime.
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03-03-2016, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LKILR
Old news. Repost. I think the kid learned his lesson. The hunter is a repeat offender. They need to go after the outfitter as well. He's the one who profited the most from this crime.
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oops i hadn't seen it here. i figured it was new because f&w just posted the pictures today.
it was 100% intentional disregard for our laws. if they shot an under size ram oops it happens every year, it would have been an honest or unintentional mistake. but they tried to cover it up. he should never guide again.
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03-03-2016, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fish_e_o
oops i hadn't seen it here. i figured it was new because f&w just posted the pictures today.
it was 100% intentional disregard for our laws. if they shot an under size ram oops it happens every year, it would have been an honest or unintentional mistake. but they tried to cover it up. he should never guide again.
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Did you ever make a mistake when you where young and dumb? Sometime people learn from there actions. If we ban him for life from hunting he can't really redeem himself as a person. I think $25k fine for a young family man is sufficient.
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03-03-2016, 09:45 AM
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he's not a young guy he's no fresh into the world hopped up on testosterone child he's a 30 something and he has two children hopefully he has learned how to be responsible but it doesn't look like it.
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03-03-2016, 09:51 AM
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Sorry to poke the bear her but I gotta ask.
Where did this incident take place? And who was the outfitting company?
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03-03-2016, 10:00 AM
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Terrible example of the human condition. In the end, justice was served. The outfitter did nothing wrong and is not responsible for anything his guide did...........just as you would not be fined for your children's crimes.
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03-03-2016, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CNP
just as you would not be fined for your children's crimes.
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you say that but you are responsible for your children if they are under age
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03-03-2016, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fish_e_o
you say that but you are responsible for your children if they are under age
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Lets not be ambiguous here. You're trotting out that the outfitter is somehow responsible for a decision that an employee made without the outfitters knowledge. There is no case. If my 15 year old child stole a car (hypothetical), I should go to jail or pay a fine? After the upstanding upbringing and rule of law that he was raised up to respect? All of this is hypothetical as I have no 15 year old son. But you would say that I am responsible.........NOT
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03-03-2016, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LKILR
The outfitter took the client and guide into the wrong allocation on horseback. So to say he did nothing wrong might not be true.
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Originally Posted by CNP
Lets not be ambiguous here. You're trotting out that the outfitter is somehow responsible for a decision that an employee made without the outfitters knowledge. There is no case. If my 15 year old child stole a car (hypothetical), I should go to jail or pay a fine? After the upstanding upbringing and rule of law that he was raised up to respect? All of this is hypothetical as I have no 15 year old son. But you would say that I am responsible.........NOT
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if the above is true then absolutely they are liable.
if your 15 year old child stole a car and caused damages there is a decent chance you'll pick up the bill. you wont go to jail or anything that's just silly. it happened to a group of guys i knew growing up they got together and kicked over signs etc rcmp caught them and their parents paid to fix everything.
you'll have to prove that you were supervising them adequately at the time or that you took some action to curb the illegal act and if the bugger is stealing cars i doubt you were.
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03-03-2016, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CNP
Terrible example of the human condition. In the end, justice was served. The outfitter did nothing wrong and is not responsible for anything his guide did...........just as you would not be fined for your children's crimes.
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The outfitter took the client and guide into the wrong allocation on horseback. So to say he did nothing wrong might not be true.
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03-03-2016, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LKILR
The outfitter took the client and guide into the wrong allocation on horseback. So to say he did nothing wrong might not be true.
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oh... i didn't hear that. the guide should have known better for one but that portion is not all on his shoulders at that point
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03-03-2016, 11:12 PM
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Yip. Burying the ram under rocks is intent to conceal a crime and shows a complete disrespect for the life took. Absolutely boils my blood.
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03-04-2016, 11:24 AM
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I'm glad these individuals have been punished under the law, my grandfather was involved in anti-poaching operations in Europe and it truly saddened him every time he came across hidden corpses or a pile of skinned foxes.
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