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02-25-2009, 12:11 PM
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Cz 858
Hi,
I have a very basic question about CZ 858. Can CZ 858 be used as a hunting and protection gun when in Bear country.
I want to purchase this gun mainly for hunting deer. Since the barrel is short for this gun, I should be able to carry it easily in bushes with me. Plus the recoil from this gun doesn't seem as bad too.
Please post your comments.
Thanks
Rosh
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02-25-2009, 12:53 PM
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You can get a longer barreled version of this rifle that is non-restricted, so yes, you could used for hunting and bear protection. It seems like it would be pretty under-powered for any bear defense situation though. I'm not sure that suitable hunting ammo is easily available either, isn't most ammo for this type of rifle FMJ?
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02-25-2009, 07:45 PM
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For straight bear protection in the woods, I would want a 12 gauge shotgun with slugs. There are several versions around that use a pistol grip type stock. They are reasonably compact, light and easy to carry. They are not expensive either.
The CZ 858 Assualt Rifle uses the 7.62x39mm which some would consider "light" even for deer hunting. it would work at close ranges but don't expect too much. Unlike most assault type rifles, it isn't restricted though so it would be legal in the hunting role. Remember that the magazines are set for 5 rounds. I believe they come equipped with 4 mags in the box. CZ makes nice rifles.
If you really want a light easy carry deer rifle that will stop bears very effectively, you might consider a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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02-25-2009, 07:50 PM
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if you do intend to use this to hunt remember to find expanding bullets in the 7.69 x39 as a majority of this ammunition are FMJs which are not legal to use to hunt. Find some hollow points or soft points i believe they are out there but slim.
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02-26-2009, 02:33 AM
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The CZ-858 is the long barrel non restricted version. The CZ-58 is restricted. 7.62x39 is a calibre we'll never run out of (ball anyway) but not my choice for bear. 762 hunting ammunition is hard to come by.
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02-26-2009, 05:15 AM
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I prefer a shotgun for killing bears at very close range.
Close range form me is two barrels at once , no aiming needed!
Bin there, dun that , still remember what it was like , never had the same sensations before or after - not something I would encourage toe weak of heart to try.
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02-27-2009, 11:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chargerguy
The CZ-858 is the long barrel non restricted version. The CZ-58 is restricted. 7.62x39 is a calibre we'll never run out of (ball anyway) but not my choice for bear. 762 hunting ammunition is hard to come by.
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Seems to summarize most of the posts... perhaps couldn't pick a less appropriate rifle for what you said you wanted to do (hunt and bear protection)
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03-22-2010, 10:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle Eye
For straight bear protection in the woods, I would want a 12 gauge shotgun with slugs. There are several versions around that use a pistol grip type stock. They are reasonably compact, light and easy to carry. They are not expensive either.
The CZ 858 Assualt Rifle uses the 7.62x39mm which some would consider "light" even for deer hunting. it would work at close ranges but don't expect too much. Unlike most assault type rifles, it isn't restricted though so it would be legal in the hunting role. Remember that the magazines are set for 5 rounds. I believe they come equipped with 4 mags in the box. CZ makes nice rifles.
If you really want a light easy carry deer rifle that will stop bears very effectively, you might consider a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Don't mean to be an asshat, but please do not use these terms so liberally. A CZ858 -2 is a non-restricted sport rifle. Assault rifles are select fire, not to mention that the only one ever made was Sturmgewehr. Thank you.
+1 for the shotgun for bear use.
Last edited by eltorro; 03-22-2010 at 10:56 PM.
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03-22-2010, 11:41 PM
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cz 858
I caryy the old 45/70 in the back country shes got the back up for almost anything scares the hell out of the squirrels too lol fairly light on the pack as well
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02-27-2009, 12:36 PM
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If you want a small bush gun, cheap, with lots of umph, just pony up the $200.00 or so for a M-44 Moisen Nagant. 7.62 X 54R has more then enough to take any game or eliminate any threat in Alberta. Surpluss Ball is pleantyful and cheap, plus there are lots of good quality hunting rounds available. Now if you just want to justify getting a CZ....then you better come up with another excuse.
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02-27-2009, 06:41 PM
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7.62x39 i almost on par with a 30-30, You would have no problem taking deer out to 150 yards. I ve shot coyotes out to around 180yards with mine a few times but around 100yrds is just right. The cz858 is very well built and very accurate not to mention the upgrades available check mine out
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02-28-2009, 09:10 AM
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Where to get CZ 858
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know where to get one of these I have checked out wholesalesports website, other places in edmonton. MilArms might have it but there sales team is not helpful at all. Do you guys any place where I could get one. And how much do they run for?
I also want to thank all of you guys responding to my post.
Thanks
Rosh
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02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rosh7674
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone know where to get one of these I have checked out wholesalesports website, other places in edmonton. MilArms might have it but there sales team is not helpful at all. Do you guys any place where I could get one. And how much do they run for?
I also want to thank all of you guys responding to my post.
Thanks
Rosh
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frontiertaxidermy.com
theshootingedge.com
milarms
p&d
runn about $800
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02-28-2009, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by munyee4321
frontiertaxidermy.com
theshootingedge.com
milarms
p&d
runn about $800
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backcountry sports in red deer sells them for $650.00
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04-22-2012, 10:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thorne
If you want a small bush gun, cheap, with lots of umph, just pony up the $200.00 or so for a M-44 Moisen Nagant. 7.62 X 54R has more then enough to take any game or eliminate any threat in Alberta. Surpluss Ball is pleantyful and cheap, plus there are lots of good quality hunting rounds available. Now if you just want to justify getting a CZ....then you better come up with another excuse.
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x2 ,picked one up for same reason, loaded up some 220 gr RN and 180 gr spitzers,for up close and personel. also if you have time you can deploy the bayonet b4 hand as a last resort or making sure the bear goes to hell with ya at least. not the most accurate,but will hit inside 3" at 50 yards.
the russian 308(my nickname for it)(7.62x54mm) is between 308 and 30-06 power.
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