Make it Mandatory

[birdseye]

After watching the hunting chanel for a bit,I say its time for the sponsors EG=Sako,Ruger,Savage,Weatherby,Nosler,Hornady,Fede ral,to make the hunters they sponsor profesional marksmen,as in hit certain targets at certain ranges to obtain and or keep the sponsor.They all claim to sell the best products,and most of the shows shooters are less then average to bad.3"-4" group is horrible and i have seen so many of them brag up this kinda accuracy.I think making the hunters applying for or keeping there sponsors should be certified marksmen.Wouldnt this be better for all hunters overvall and the name we all carry.Sorry if this is not written the best,kinda pee'd off and rattled at what i witnessed on a wild chanel program.

[Pathfinder76]

I like more rules too. I wish they would just take everyone’s guns away.

[Smoky buck]

I don’t care about what distance someone is comfortable shooting or if they are touching bullets doing so

What matters is the know their limits, they make ethical choices on shot selection, and they focus on making clean shots. Don’t care if the hunter is banging everything at under 20yards or is a sniper at 500yards

More times than not it’s nothing to do with ones ability with the weapon at the range but instead poor shot selection in the field. It’s usually nothing to do with distance but instead rushing a shot or poor shot angles

As long as they make realistic ethical choices I am fine with that. I have met plenty of hunters who can punch paper like a champ but suck at making good choices in the field or can’t control buck fever

[obsessed1]

I think everyone should pass a shooting test before they can buy a hunting tag. If you cant hold sub moa at 100 or moa at 400 no tag for you!

Lets just rule this sport to death.

[Dick284]

I think we should have a rule that if you want to rant or gripe, on the forum you should know how to compose a proper sentence and use punctuation and capital letters in the correct place. Maybe we should have a breathalyzer attached to our internet keyboards as well.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, I believe is the proper saying here………

The sarcasm light has been lit……….

[oldgutpile]

Fine and dandy to shoot at paper and achieve bullets touching, but add adrenalin (aka buck fever in some!), or try making the same shot after a 200 yard uphill dash. Attempting to put all the dots in a row to catch it on camera complicates matters even worse.
Know your rifle and know your limits.

[Dmay]

Originally Posted by Dick284

I think we should have a rule that if you want to rant or gripe, on the forum you should know how to compose a proper sentence and use punctuation and capital letters in the correct place.

This!!! First and foremost.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by Dick284

I think we should have a rule that if you want to rant or gripe, on the forum you should know how to compose a proper sentence and use punctuation and capital letters in the correct place. Maybe we should have a breathalyzer attached to our internet keyboards as well.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, I believe is the proper saying here………

The sarcasm light has been lit……….

Too many old guys for that to become a rule.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

I think everyone should pass a shooting test before they can buy a hunting tag. If you cant hold sub moa at 100 or moa at 400 no tag for you!

Well that would get rid of at least 75% of hunters if they were shooting off a bench, if they are shooting offhand it would be pretty much 100%. Heard lots of guys say crap like that then they can't do it themselves.

How about we test you?

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Well that would get rid of at least 75% of hunters if they were shooting off a bench, if they are shooting offhand it would be pretty much 100%. Heard lots of guys say crap like that then they can't do it themselves.

How about we test you?

I believe his comment was being made sarcastically.

[pikergolf]

Folks tie success to their egos, that's why so many poor choices are made in the field. For a a few hunters it is just shooting their winter game, that is a whole lot less pressure.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

I think everyone should pass a shooting test before they can buy a hunting tag. If you cant hold sub moa at 100 or moa at 400 no tag for you!

Lets just rule this sport to death.

Here is the field test for a moose license in Sweden.
There is also a test for a shotgun license.
Cat
Precision Shooting
In precision shooting, the sampler’s ability to shoot two tight match pictures of four shots
each is examined. The first shooting series the sampler will shoot from a shooting bench
with good support and the other series is shot knee standing or sitting down. Shooting
distance should be 80 meters.
To pass requires the bullet holes in each series are fully covered by a circular result image
templates.
Series shot from shooting bench may have up to 12 cm spread.
Series shot knee standing or sitting down may have at most 17 cm spread.
If only one series is approved, the test is failed.
Practical big game rifle test
The practical big game rifle includes -
1. Shooting at a stationary moosefigure/target
2.Shooting at running moosefigure/target
Shooting distance is 80 meters.
At the time of the test the sampler may shoot a maximum of 9 series. One series consist of
4 shots, 2 shots at stationary and 2 shots at running target. For series to be approved, all 4
shots should be placed in the result field on the moosefigure/target.
Of these 9 series, at least 3 series must be approved for the test to be approved.

[Bushleague]

My own talents lie in hitting the front half of a deer real fast at 40 yards, more deliberation is generally required to miss things that I DONT want to hit, than actually putting a bullet in the boiler room...

To be fair though, If I owned Sako or Vortex I wouldn't sponsor me.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Here is the field test for a moose license in Sweden.
There is also a test for a shotgun license.
Cat
Precision Shooting
In precision shooting, the sampler’s ability to shoot two tight match pictures of four shots
each is examined. The first shooting series the sampler will shoot from a shooting bench
with good support and the other series is shot knee standing or sitting down. Shooting
distance should be 80 meters.
To pass requires the bullet holes in each series are fully covered by a circular result image
templates.
Series shot from shooting bench may have up to 12 cm spread.
Series shot knee standing or sitting down may have at most 17 cm spread.
If only one series is approved, the test is failed.
Practical big game rifle test
The practical big game rifle includes -
1. Shooting at a stationary moosefigure/target
2.Shooting at running moosefigure/target
Shooting distance is 80 meters.
At the time of the test the sampler may shoot a maximum of 9 series. One series consist of
4 shots, 2 shots at stationary and 2 shots at running target. For series to be approved, all 4
shots should be placed in the result field on the moosefigure/target.
Of these 9 series, at least 3 series must be approved for the test to be approved.

Many North American shooters would fail the moving target part of the course. Europeans definitely focus more training on moving targets than most here do.

The guys doing the driven boar hunts are actually very impressive to watch pick of running boar with clean shots minamal misses

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

I think everyone should pass a shooting test before they can buy a hunting tag. If you cant hold sub moa at 100 or moa at 400 no tag for you!

Lets just rule this sport to death.

When I first started, CIL put out a hunting pamphlet, it claimed you need the ability to hit within 6" diameter at 100 yds. to make a solid shot. Of course nowadays we have reliable range finders, but they take time and under field conditions it's not always there.

[Ackleyman]

[QUOTE=birdseye;4711267]After watching the hunting chanel for a bit,I say its time for the sponsors EG=Sako,Ruger,Savage,Weatherby,Nosler,Hornady,Fede ral,to make the hunters they sponsor profesional marksmen,as in hit certain targets at certain ranges to obtain and or keep the sponsor.They all claim to sell the best products,and most of the shows shooters are less then average to bad.3"-4" group is horrible and i have seen so many of them brag up this kinda accuracy.I think making the hunters applying for or keeping there sponsors should be certified marksmen.Wouldnt this be better for all hunters overvall and the name we all carry.

Did they mention how far they were shooting with these "horrible groups" ?
Most strive for tighter groups but if you can shoot a 3" group with the rifle and scope you can afford good on yuh. Deer , let alone Elk and Moose are a big target , excluding the ocassional long shot , Ive seen the majority of WT killed while hunting with buddies at less then 200yds.....lot of the time less then 100.
More rules in the shooting sports are like getting a root canal

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by birdseye

After watching the hunting chanel for a bit,I say its time for the sponsors EG=Sako,Ruger,Savage,Weatherby,Nosler,Hornady,Fede ral,to make the hunters they sponsor profesional marksmen,as in hit certain targets at certain ranges to obtain and or keep the sponsor.They all claim to sell the best products,and most of the shows shooters are less then average to bad.3"-4" group is horrible and i have seen so many of them brag up this kinda accuracy.I think making the hunters applying for or keeping there sponsors should be certified marksmen.Wouldnt this be better for all hunters overvall and the name we all carry.Sorry if this is not written the best,kinda pee'd off and rattled at what i witnessed on a wild chanel program.

If you want to make a major contribution to the hunting community stop watching these self absorbed experts trying to capture the perfect kill shot and glorifying the death of an animal.

I have heard from many anti hunters in my day and the one argument they all have in common is "You get off on killing!"

An ethical hunter kills to have hunted, they kill to have harvested, they do not hunt to have killed.

"We had to pass the shot because we couldn't get the impact of the bullet and the shock/pain of the animal on camera."

No sane person wants to witness that and certainly not followed by a bunch of self congratulatory fist pumping and a recap of how great some red neck thinks he is.

And please, someone explain to me the blood trailing as a form of entertainment. "We'll just leave him suffer overnight, cause that theres the ethical thing to do."

IMO they should eliminate the kill shot completely and the blood trailing. The film should go from a second before the shot to the hunter admiring their harvest in a respectable and thankful manner. I believe they would greatly increase viewership and actually promote the shooting sports rather than be a detriment.

It would be awesome if a non hunter or children could watch a hunting program and become interested rather than disgusted by the content.

[birdseye]

So you agree Mk2750 that sponsors should hold the hunters they sponsor to a certain criteria,or did you read my post until and only too a part you could comaplain about.This is truly getting absurd.Pls proof tead Dick284,want to make sure this meets your standards lmao

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by birdseye

So you agree Mk2750 that sponsors should hold the hunters they sponsor to a certain criteria,or did you read my post until and only too a part you could comaplain about.This is truly getting absurd.Pls proof tead Dick284,want to make sure this meets your standards lmao

Why is this even a thing? If you don’t like a hunting show, turn it off.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Why is this even a thing? If you don’t like a hunting show, turn it off.

Kinda what I was thinking.

Change the channel. Cancel the program. Get outside. Breath some fresh air. Mind your own business. Head to the gun range.

So many better things to do than rant about something this silly.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Kinda what I was thinking.

Change the channel. Cancel the program. Get outside. Breath some fresh air. Mind your own business. Head to the gun range.

So many better things to do than rant about something this silly.

So if you feel someone's actions or behavior is damaging your community you should just shut up and go outside for a walk?

Too much of that going on already as far as I am concerned. Just minding our own business has brought this country to the mess it is in.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by birdseye

So you agree Mk2750 that sponsors should hold the hunters they sponsor to a certain criteria,or did you read my post until and only too a part you could comaplain about.This is truly getting absurd.Pls proof tead Dick284,want to make sure this meets your standards lmao

I am not complaining about your post, I was adding to it. Not only do I think that "professional hunters" and the ones guided are often poor marksmen, some are even incompetent and their antics are an embarrassment to the hunting community.

Many filmed hunts are shot from a ground blind with the shooter using a tripod. Some of the shot placements are LOL ridiculous.

What I am saying is; If you don't like what you see, don't watch.

I don't for different reasons but your reasons are legitimate as well. When people stop watching, sponsors stop paying and content changes. This is how TV works

[Bushrat]

Most of the hunting shows are embarassing and used as fodder against the hunting community. Drives me nuts when they gut shoot a stationary critter shooting off a rest out of a blind over a bait pile not even 100 yds away then go on about how great a shot they made, how hard the hunt was and the expert tracking skills they posess to find an animal where it bedded down 50 yds away from where they shot it the next day..

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by birdseye

After watching the hunting chanel for a bit,I say its time for the sponsors EG=Sako,Ruger,Savage,Weatherby,Nosler,Hornady,Fede ral,to make the hunters they sponsor profesional marksmen,as in hit certain targets at certain ranges to obtain and or keep the sponsor.They all claim to sell the best products,and most of the shows shooters are less then average to bad.3"-4" group is horrible and i have seen so many of them brag up this kinda accuracy.I think making the hunters applying for or keeping there sponsors should be certified marksmen.Wouldnt this be better for all hunters overvall and the name we all carry.Sorry if this is not written the best,kinda pee'd off and rattled at what i witnessed on a wild chanel program.

This post could have been called - I still watch cable tv

Youtube has roughly 8,000,000,000,000,000 hours of free low quality hunting content. AND you get to comment directly to the creator (content creator, not god) and give them your 2 cents on their marksmanship ability.

[birdseye]

This post could have been called - I still watch cable tv

Youtube has roughly 8,000,000,000,000,000 hours of free low quality hunting content. AND you get to comment directly to the creator (content creator, not god) and give them your 2 cents on their

And your comment can be called pointless ? What does your comment have to do with sponsors and the hunters they sponsor,like I wrote previously,most of the replys are not related to the original post,just dribble and complaing lol

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by birdseye

This post could have been called - I still watch cable tv

Youtube has roughly 8,000,000,000,000,000 hours of free low quality hunting content. AND you get to comment directly to the creator (content creator, not god) and give them your 2 cents on their

And your comment can be called pointless ? What does your comment have to do with sponsors and the hunters they sponsor,like I wrote previously,most of the replys are not related to the original post,just dribble and complaing lol

Oh you want a serious, thoughtful reply? OK.

Do you think it's possible on any level to get shooting sports vendors to work together to create and enforce a marksmanship quality standard for their sponsored tv personalities?
Just vote with your eyeballs and not watch their shows.
Or if you want to complain directly to the guy who's a poor shot, send him an email. These guys aren't that hard to find.

But seriously, just watch on youtube and you can complain directly to the content creator, who's usually the marksman in the video.

[birdseye]

Thank you for the straight up reply Pecan