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Wow....unbelievable, oh wait nevermind that's our lovely justice system
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ayed-1.4414352
Charges have been dropped against a Calgary man accused in a fatal hit and run after the judge ruled police behaved improperly during their interrogation of the suspect.
Robert Mark Varley, 60, was on trial for a hit and run resulting in the death of Farida Abdurahman, 33..........
.....Varley was charged with impaired driving in 2003, 2004 and 2009 in Richmond, B.C. He pleaded guilty to the lesser, traffic offence of careless driving for the 2003 and 2009 infractions and was acquitted of the 2004 charge.
What a P.O.S. lowlife.... and he goes free, again!
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Head shake time...guy sure has a shady track record with the law.
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11-22-2017, 12:22 PM
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And he probably drove straight to a bar or liquor store on the way home.... There should be some component to prevent these ticking time bombs from ever driving again, including registration as a dangerous offender and being jailed indefinitely if that's what it takes to protect society at large from being killed or maimed by him. He's already killed for Pete's sake.... Does he have to run over a judges children or grandkids to actually serve any time?
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Unreal, so because the police did something wrong that erases the death of a person. So that changes the fact he killed somebody? Discussing. Judges need to start having it happen to their familes, then it would be different.
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11-22-2017, 02:31 PM
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I just sat through court today, a 17 year old girl convicted of dangerous driving causing death got 6 months house arrest and broke curfew and received 40 hrs community service hours due by end of May 2018. I've lost all faith in the justice system.
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11-22-2017, 03:43 PM
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Unreal, so because the police did something wrong that erases the death of a person. So that changes the fact he killed somebody? Discussing. Judges need to start having it happen to their familes, then it would be different.
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The evidence gleaned from an interrogation where his Charter rights were breached was tossed. If the Crown had any other evidence, they were more than able to continue with the case. Since they apparently had none, the Crown withdrew the charges. It’s the correct call on the judge’s part, unless you support allowing the police to violate the Charter while they investigate things?
This lies solely on the shoulders of the two officers who continued to interrogate him when they should have known better.
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11-22-2017, 04:35 PM
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The evidence gleaned from an interrogation where his Charter rights were breached was tossed. If the Crown had any other evidence, they were more than able to continue with the case. Since they apparently had none, the Crown withdrew the charges. It’s the correct call on the judge’s part, unless you support allowing the police to violate the Charter while they investigate things?
This lies solely on the shoulders of the two officers who continued to interrogate him when they should have known better.
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This.
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11-22-2017, 05:09 PM
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not sure how ones anger isnt directed at the idiot police who should know about their suspects rights.
Why one would defend charter rights violations against any canadian is beyond me.
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11-22-2017, 05:21 PM
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not sure how ones anger isnt directed at the idiot police who should know about their suspects rights.
Why one would defend charter rights violations against any canadian is beyond me.
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It comes from a sense of impotence watching the justice system work. Yes the Police screwed up, but it doesn't remove the rage that the guy walked.
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11-22-2017, 05:25 PM
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not sure how ones anger isnt directed at the idiot police who should know about their suspects rights.
Why one would defend charter rights violations against any canadian is beyond me.
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While I absolutely agree, I strongly feel Farida had more right to be a Canadian citizen than this p.o.s.
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11-22-2017, 05:27 PM
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They could have done better
I'd be less uneasy about this had the victim not been an Ethiopian immigrant.
Can the police not establish that it was his car that hit and killed the woman, and then establish that he was driving it at the time of her death?
I think that they should take this back to court.
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Originally Posted by tacomama
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ayed-1.4414352
Charges have been dropped against a Calgary man accused in a fatal hit and run after the judge ruled police behaved improperly during their interrogation of the suspect. Robert Mark Varley, 60, was on trial for a hit and run resulting in the death of Farida Abdurahman, 33...............Varley was charged with impaired driving in 2003, 2004 and 2009 in Richmond, B.C. He pleaded guilty to the lesser, traffic offence of careless driving for the 2003 and 2009 infractions and was acquitted of the 2004 charge. What a P.O.S. lowlife.... and he goes free, again!
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Police corruption has never happened, we dont need safeguards against that (sarcasm). Ask yourself... have you researched/studied the particulars of the case, or are you reacting to a headline?
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11-22-2017, 05:40 PM
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And this folks is why we need Miranda rights in Canada.
Sorry, but when police are given total authority over an interrogation, and the accused doesn't have the right to have a lawyer present during questioning - this can the result.
I don't like it either, another arsehole walks but it's the cops' fault. If they are allowed to get away with this, then there are no checks and balances to speak of.
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11-22-2017, 05:40 PM
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I'd be less uneasy about this had the victim not been an Ethiopian immigrant.
Can the police not establish that it was his car that hit and killed the woman, and then establish that he was driving it at the time of her death?
I think that they should take this back to court.
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I'm sure the Crown examined all their evidence and the likely hood that they could convict him before they dropped the charges against him
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The evidence gleaned from an interrogation where his Charter rights were breached was tossed. If the Crown had any other evidence, they were more than able to continue with the case. Since they apparently had none, the Crown withdrew the charges. It’s the correct call on the judge’s part, unless you support allowing the police to violate the Charter while they investigate things?
This lies solely on the shoulders of the two officers who continued to interrogate him when they should have known better.
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To me his rights should be stripped after what he did, to me he gave them up when he ran the guy over, but that's this crazy world we live in. It does not change the fact he killed somebody. I wish laws were different, but that's just crazy me.
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11-22-2017, 06:30 PM
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Thanks go to CPS.
Case closed boys.
Another job well done.
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11-22-2017, 06:35 PM
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To me his rights should be stripped after what he did, to me he gave them up when he ran the guy over, but that's this crazy world we live in. It does not change the fact he killed somebody. I wish laws were different, but that's just crazy me.
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So the second someone comes under police investigation, you would support the immediate suspension of their Charter rights?
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So the second someone comes under police investigation, you would support the immediate suspension of their Charter rights?
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What does this meen then, he is innocent of the crime then? Just because the police screw up he didn't kill anyone then?
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11-22-2017, 07:04 PM
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And the goon squad is out again.
There wasn't a thing wrong with the interrogation by what was written and the crown already spoke to the possibility of appeal.
The BS idea that cops spoke poorly of the defense lawyer being a charter breach is crap. The quotes were the reason the Judge said this? Awe poor snowflakes.
Does anyone hear even know what charter and caution statements were read to this POS by the police before the interrogation? He was offered a phone, phone books and legal aid. Guaranteed.
This isn't an opportunity for the current trend of cop haters this forum suffers to vent their petty greviences and lack of knowledge. This is a airing of the crappy, dirty laundry that our system has become when a man is found to be guilty by all evidence and then we let him go because the copsntalkex poorly avout defence lawyers. Boo boo, oh no, she's dead, but his lawyer and the ex lawyer judge feel hurt so let the cretin go.
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What does this meen then, he is innocent of the crime then? Just because the police screw up he didn't kill anyone then?
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Just because you're wearing a badge, doesn't give an officer the right to breach a persons rights - remember, it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
This is not a one off, this happens all too often. Again, we should have the right to have an attorney present during interrogation, it would take care of much.
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Just because you're wearing a badge, doesn't give an officer the right to breach a persons rights - remember, it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
This is not a one off, this happens all too often. Again, we should have the right to have an attorney present during interrogation, it would take care of much.
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That's true, but how does this change the crime committed? The person is still in the ground right, this is not his first offence and killed a person. So nothing happens now? Innocent until proven guilty.... So he isn't guilty of the crime? Who killed the person in the hit and run then, Casper the ghost? Once again the criminal has more rights than the victim.
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That's true, but how does this change the crime committed? The person is still in the ground right, this is not his first offence and killed a person. So nothing happens now? Innocent until proven guilty.... So he isn't guilty of the crime? Who killed the person in the hit and run then, Casper the ghost? Once again the criminal has more rights than the victim.
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From what I understand, and don't quote me, the charges were stayed. I dare say at some point, he'll be charged with something else, and this will be brought back up within a year.
But, maybe not.
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I would love to hear the % of charges that are dropped because the cops screwed up. I bet it's real high. Don't forget these guys for the most part get 6 months of training in depot and very little real life experience before being deployed. Not critisizing just saying that it's probably a VERY tough gig to get a good handle on.
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From what I understand, and don't quote me, the charges were stayed. I dare say at some point, he'll be charged with something else, and this will be brought back up within a year.
But, maybe not.
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Hopefully he doesn't kill or injure another person in the future.
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And this folks is why we need Miranda rights in Canada.
Sorry, but when police are given total authority over an interrogation, and the accused doesn't have the right to have a lawyer present during questioning - this can the result.
I don't like it either, another arsehole walks but it's the cops' fault. If they are allowed to get away with this, then there are no checks and balances to speak of.
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If the cops were higher quality professionals, it wouldnt be a problem.
Love the statement the CPS released on this.
"A good learning opportunity".
They should be fired./
At least they didnt perjure themselves *cough* Kaminski
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Police corruption has never happened, we dont need safeguards against that (sarcasm). Ask yourself... have you researched/studied the particulars of the case, or are you reacting to a headline?
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According to the news, this lowlife actually killed another human, are you forgetting that part?
I am not defending the cops that screwed up here, it is really too bad they did, but looking at what this guy did changes things a bit wouldn't you say? It was a hit and run and the evidence pointed to him and his track record doesn't exactly show he is an upstanding citizen...
Yes I am only reading the article and reacting to it.
Everyone should have their rights, I agree with this, but to see this guy get away with this due to basically a technicality makes me sick. Yes the cops should have handled it differently but it doesn't change what he did.
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I believe we as Canadians have the right to remain silent. In other words "keep your mouth shut" if you find yourself in this situation.
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To me his rights should be stripped after what he did, to me he gave them up when he ran the guy over, but that's this crazy world we live in. It does not change the fact he killed somebody. I wish laws were different, but that's just crazy me.
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I REALLY hope you are never the victim of wrong place wrong time and get accused of a similar crime and have people treat you the way you are wanting this person to be treated, getting all your rights "stripped away" for allegedly committing a crime.
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What does this meen then, he is innocent of the crime then? Just because the police screw up he didn't kill anyone then?
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yeah you are innocent until PROVEN guilty the cops cant just accuse you of a crime and lock you up and throw away the key, or better yet hang you for it.
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That's true, but how does this change the crime committed? The person is still in the ground right, this is not his first offence and killed a person. So nothing happens now? Innocent until proven guilty.... So he isn't guilty of the crime? Who killed the person in the hit and run then, Casper the ghost? Once again the criminal has more rights than the victim.
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the argument isn't weather or not the person was killed, obviously they are dead, the point is it can not be said conclusively that this "POS" did it, no matter how much of a POS they are. Any admitting of guilt he may or may not have made is irrelevant because the POS leos violated his rights, pure and simple
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According to the news, this lowlife actually killed another human, are you forgetting that part?
I am not defending the cops that screwed up here, it is really too bad they did, but looking at what this guy did changes things a bit wouldn't you say?
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No, not at all. My condolences to the families of his victims but you know what we have rights in this country and its that simple, if a cop violates my rights any evidence that comes from that is "of the poison fruit" and needs to be tossed. NOT TO MENTION he was acquitted of past crimes (or were reduced) which means the media triggered you with their sensationalism as they get paid to do.
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It was a hit and run and the evidence pointed to him and his track record doesn't exactly show he is an upstanding citizen...
Yes I am only reading the article and reacting to it.
Everyone should have their rights, I agree with this, but to see this guy get away with this due to basically a technicality makes me sick. Yes the cops should have handled it differently but it doesn't change what he did.
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ok here is a scenario for you: cold winter day an (insert ethnic origin here) male was jogging down the street wearing a balaclava, all of a sudden he is taken down by the swat team beaten and arrested for a rape that happened 2 blocks away, "all the evidence pointed to him" and as a kid he was trouble with the law for different things so his track record doesn't show he is and upstanding citizen, so should the cops violate him for raping the person? i mean the person was raped how disgusting.......... get my point.
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I REALLY hope you are never the victim of wrong place wrong time and get accused of a similar crime and have people treat you the way you are wanting this person to be treated, getting all your rights "stripped away" for allegedly committing a crime.
yeah you are innocent until PROVEN guilty the cops cant just accuse you of a crime and lock you up and throw away the key, or better yet hang you for it.
the argument isn't weather or not the person was killed, obviously they are dead, the point is it can not be said conclusively that this "POS" did it, no matter how much of a POS they are. Any admitting of guilt he may or may not have made is irrelevant because the POS leos violated his rights, pure and simple
No, not at all. My condolences to the families of his victims but you know what we have rights in this country and its that simple, if a cop violates my rights any evidence that comes from that is "of the poison fruit" and needs to be tossed. NOT TO MENTION he was acquitted of past crimes (or were reduced) which means the media triggered you with their sensationalism as they get paid to do.
ok here is a scenario for you: cold winter day an (insert ethnic origin here) male was jogging down the street wearing a balaclava, all of a sudden he is taken down by the swat team beaten and arrested for a rape that happened 2 blocks away, "all the evidence pointed to him" and as a kid he was trouble with the law for different things so his track record doesn't show he is and upstanding citizen, so should the cops violate him for raping the person? i mean the person was raped how disgusting.......... get my point.
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I think you would feel different if it was your loved one who was killed. So I guess you could go shoot 100 people and if the cops do something wrong it's all good then!!. The questions isn't if they have the right guy or not, it's the cops screwed up.
Ok good scenario so the cops should be out looking for whoever did it then right, cuz somebody did it.
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