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04-26-2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by duffy4
tchow why do you say this? "However Regulations consider this under its "mother" species, the Walleye...."
Most hybirds are not fertile and so they do not reproduce. The big saugeye you caught would have been a good one to eat. It is most likely not going to spawn and add to the population of sauger or walleye. It is just a fish living in the river and eating stuff and occupying a spot that a walleye or sauger could be in. I'm sure that Fisheries Management would have no problem with any harvest of saugeyes.
I doubt if an enfocement officer would charge you for an undersized walleye as he would then have to supply proof it is a walleye (and it isn't).
I used to catch a lot of sauger in the NSR around Edm. but never looked close to see if any were saugeyes.
Nice pic by the way, of a nice fish, a happy angler and a nice section of river valley.
Robin in Rocky
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Sounds like a great idea. Leave the judgement up to a 20 year old just out of college. Then go to court to prove your innocent. Seems like the thing to do.
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04-26-2008, 05:04 PM
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It was discussed with a friend who is a CO. Bear in mind that, although unfortunate, it depends on how "one interperts the Regulations". Our Sportfishing Regulations is a "condensed" version and complete ones available with F&W Offices.
Perhaps its better that it has to be recognized to the Walleye parent. Size restriction would be inforced pending on Zones. Experienced Anglers would be able to recognize the differences between the three but there's alot out there that don't.
The fish in the pic was easily a legal fish. Chances were it being a Hen and there has not been any hard evidence of Saugeye being a Sterile fish. A pic was good enough for me....
I was on a 2 day trip there and caught lots of fish. Had some for dinner and had my PB of 12 lb 6 oz Eye which was also released
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04-26-2008, 10:19 PM
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Sounds like a great idea. Leave the judgement up to a 20 year old just out of college. Then go to court to prove your innocent. Seems like the thing to do.
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What do you mean by this Sniper? Who is the 20 year old just out of college?
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04-26-2008, 10:26 PM
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The odd C.O.
Or , I guess it could be an older C.O.
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04-27-2008, 11:29 AM
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the difference is simple, sportsmen call them walleye, farmers call them pickeral.
durrr...hut...
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04-27-2008, 12:10 PM
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TChow, thanks for the pic. Very cool. That is what made this post worth scrolling through. I didn't hear of the cross until your post here. Nice size too
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04-27-2008, 08:04 PM
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So many species are incorrectly identified.
I picked up a Redhorse Sucker while fishing for Rockies. The trailer-park jury showed up to watch the battle, then oood and aaad over the 'rare species of carp' I had caught.
Caught a large Sauger once and a simiar crew of rookies told me I had caught an albino walleye.
Often in southern Alberta, any pike over 15 pounds is referred to as a 'musky'.
I have heard Lake Whitefish called carp.
Cut-throat trout classified as juvenile Rainbows.
And the list goes on.
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04-27-2008, 08:11 PM
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Thanks!
I for one did not know what the difference was and as a young guy I caught way to many "Pickeral" that really were Walleye. Baptiste Lake was full of them and we abused that! To this day I won't fish intentionally for Walleye for that reason. I was one of the reasons for the shortage of them and it taught me a lot about conservation and sportmanship!
T
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04-27-2008, 10:05 PM
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If theres skis in AB let me know
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04-27-2008, 10:34 PM
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Gone Hunting
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x2 KyleM !!!!
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04-28-2008, 06:55 AM
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walleye
"Walleye is too American."
Hope I don't get in trouble for this but...
That's the stupidest thing I've read on here in awhile.
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04-28-2008, 07:11 AM
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Is it realy????????? NO WAY!
Its nice to see you brought something intelligent to the debate!
Or lake-thereof....
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pickerel/walleye
In Ontario, most folks over 50 refer to them as Pickerel, and anyone who called them Walleye, were visiting Americans(people from Ohio also called fish "feesh"). My dad claimed that the full name was Yellow Pickerel, to differentiate them from Blue Pickerel, that had been extinct in Ont for 100 years. He also claimed the term Walleye came from the full name Walleyed Pike. Never seen a Chain Pickerel, or a sauger, but obviously they exist! Nothing is right or wrong, Americans call all carbonated beverages "soda", and in Ont if you ask for a soda, you get soda water.
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10-08-2011, 04:12 PM
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hIT THE nAIL ON THE hEAD
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Originally Posted by el sparko
the difference is simple, sportsmen call them walleye, farmers call them pickeral.
durrr...hut...
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Absolutely TRUE !!
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10-08-2011, 06:13 PM
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hmmmm must be a saskatchewan thing, cause everybody I know calls a walleye a pickeral, I thought pickeral was like a slang word for walleye, hmm ?
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Originally Posted by braxxtonn
hmmmm must be a saskatchewan thing, cause everybody I know calls a walleye a pickeral, I thought pickeral was like a slang word for walleye, hmm ?
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In some places it is......up near Pembroke, Ontario that I know of for one.
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10-08-2011, 07:16 PM
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A rose by any other name, is still a Rose.
Walleye, Pickerel, whatever suits your fancy.
I use whatever name the folks I'm with call it. It avoids confusion. And that is what a name is supposed to do.
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10-08-2011, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KyleM
Incase you didnt realize, we arent all morons.
Most of us who say that realize that they are reffered to as Walleye.
I call them pickeral because it reminds me of back home.
Walleye is to American for me
If you wanna get picky, we could say "walleye" is wrong because the real name is Sander Vitreus.
Walleye is a name for Sand Vitreus, is it wrong? Nope, is Pickeral wrong? Nope.
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Well said.
Arguing over common names is a fools enterprise.
If you want to be correct, use the LATIN species name. It is the only correct answer.
Common names of organisms are sometimes recognized by societies, organizations and similar, for example, The American Fisheries Society attempts to formalize some of these names AFAIK.
Americans and Albertans love to call them Walleye, out east they're often called Pickeral.
But no matter where you are in the present time it is Sander vitreus.
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10-08-2011, 10:23 PM
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3 years, that has to be a record for a thread ressurection!
Nice to see the pics though.
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10-08-2011, 10:30 PM
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3 years, that has to be a record for a thread ressurection!
Nice to see the pics though.
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Was thinking something similar...... here we go again when im in nova scotia ima catch me some pickerel... if the seasons not closed
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Originally Posted by JohninAB
Hate to disagree but it is not Sander Vitreus, it is Sander vitreum if that new name was adopted. Used to be called Stizostedion vitreum.
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It is Sander vitreus.
Latin words are either feminine or masculine. Specific epithets ( vitreus) must be in agreement with the generic epithets ( Sander)
When a generic name is changed, as it was in this case, from Stizostedion to Sander the specific name has to be in agreement.
That is why vitreum (feminine) was changed to vitreus (masculine).
Taxonomy can be a bitch, but it tells you everything about the organisms evolutionary lineage at present, and to some degree the past.
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10-08-2011, 10:44 PM
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Let's just call them BASS!
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10-08-2011, 10:51 PM
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Let's just call them BASS!
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Ima catch some of them too
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10-10-2011, 11:35 AM
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What is a musky?
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10-10-2011, 12:00 PM
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What is a musky?
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A Ultra lights worst nightmare.
Its part of the esox family and grow very large.
Theyre is many hybrids including tiger muskies(pike and muskie) to clear-spotted muskies.
They also grow realy slow and only thrive in warmer lakes with big baitfish.
Theyre some tiger muskies in medical lake below alberta
Very smartfish and the best time to get them from medical is at night pounding the same area with large orange topwaters
If musky were introduced here in alberta with a self sustaining population of pike the muskys wouldnt survive because the pike grow alot faster then muskies do
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10-10-2011, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by duffy4
Most hybirds are not fertile and so they do not reproduce. The big saugeye you caught would have been a good one to eat. It is most likely not going to spawn and add to the population of sauger or walleye. It is just a fish living in the river and eating stuff and occupying a spot that a walleye or sauger could be in. I'm sure that Fisheries Management would have no problem with any harvest of saugeyes.
Robin in Rocky
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This is not really true, a lot of naturally occuring hybrids can and do reproduce. I bet if you did genetics work on walleye and sauger in the river, you would find that a lot of the sauger have a bit of walleye in them...hence why the a lot of the sauger records are so big....
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Originally Posted by OntPickFish
In Ontario, most folks over 50 refer to them as Pickerel, and anyone who called them Walleye, were visiting Americans(people from Ohio also called fish "feesh"). My dad claimed that the full name was Yellow Pickerel, to differentiate them from Blue Pickerel, that had been extinct in Ont for 100 years. He also claimed the term Walleye came from the full name Walleyed Pike. Never seen a Chain Pickerel, or a sauger, but obviously they exist! Nothing is right or wrong, Americans call all carbonated beverages "soda", and in Ont if you ask for a soda, you get soda water.
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I can remember catching blue pickerel in lake Erie and i'm not over a 100 years old And their actually making a come back in some areas but they are not the identical fish they were
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headbanger--- consult your local f&w office . :
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Not in the regs cause there is none in Alberta
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10-11-2011, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pecker
sander or sand vitreus is too hard to say, i'll just call them walleyes a.k.a. eyes or pickerel . in saskatchewan they've always been pickerel . thats my roots . i'll stick with PICKEREL.
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Thats why we all call you grasshoppers out there , nothing upstairs
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Only 1 question
Cause really in my mind it is the most important one!! What does a pickeral taste like? I love eating walleye, but cannot stand pike.......... so which one does it taste like so I know if I want to catch it or not............
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