Poachers and hunters

winger7mm · #1 09-07-2012

Well had a very short discussion at work today about hunters vs poachers, I say it was short because of the final comment made by a nonhunter before I had to walk away. He had an old report a poacher mug from way back when after a few minutes he got on saying hunters are the same as poachers. That we only put tags on if we see the warden coming. Honestly is peed me off pretty bad. I told him hunters are ALOT different then f'ing poachers, huge difference. He said "nope they both have guns" I almost lost it

if I was still working the patch and had the same convo he woulda got a good smack to the head followed by a black eye

After I had calmed down a bit I realized that this man, a NON-HUNTER has this view about hunters. I cant get why he would paint us all with the same brush. I just wanted to share this story with you since its the beginning of the season. I dont know what I want to come of this story but, something has to change this veiw some people have.

hunter1993ap · #2 09-07-2012

you handled it right even though the guy probably deserved a black eye. i dont know if i would have had the same self control you showed. you have to respect nature and poachers have no respect, similar to the disrespect this guy showd you.

H380 · #3 09-07-2012

Good on ya winger , I know how you feel . The bad get us all tarred with the same brush . Saying all hunters are poachers is like saying anyone who has a drink is an alcoholic .

.Right ? No , you did right , keep your fists behind your back and give a smile .

We have to stick up for ourselves but it isn't worth a visit with the cops .

BlackHeart · #4 09-07-2012

Tell him both pedophiles and him have the same equipment, but only an idiot would drawn conclusions like he has. Then ask him if has ever been to a playground.....then ask him if he seen any children playing there....he may get the point on how absurd his conclusions are.....and how with a few more ? and assumptions, it can be concluded that he is a pedophile. Then ask if he is just ignorant or brainwashed.

I would do this publicly, as he is probably spreading his crap behind your back to anyone who will listen.....I've worked white collar many years and the best results come from verbal stompings of morons that spew this thinking....make him look stupid and no one will listen to him anymore.

beansgunsghandi · #5 09-07-2012

The guy may be an ignorant, but we're ultimately the ones with a big problem if we don't recognize that we (hunters) have a serious image problem. A solution may be to both improve the public's image of hunters, and gently educate the ignorant. I really believe we as hunters are our own worst enemies; a lot of what I see in the woods from "hunters" unfortunately is too often ethically and environmentally really weak. I deal with the non-hunting public a lot: they aren't all "antis," but most of what they see and read about hunting just isn't positive. The guy you're talking to reads about Lesnar... As hard as it is, buy him a coffee, talk, share what hunting means to you. Guy might just be a dick, but maybe some progress could be made.

Alberta Bigbore · #6 09-07-2012

wow... thats crazy talk!

bigshell · #7 09-07-2012

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Originally Posted by beansgunsghandi

The guy may be an ignorant, but we're ultimately the ones with a big problem if we don't recognize that we (hunters) have a serious image problem. A solution may be to both improve the public's image of hunters, and gently educate the ignorant. I really believe we as hunters are our own worst enemies; a lot of what I see in the woods from "hunters" unfortunately is too often ethically and environmentally really weak. I deal with the non-hunting public a lot: they aren't all "antis," but most of what they see and read about hunting just isn't positive. The guy you're talking to reads about Lesnar... As hard as it is, buy him a coffee, talk, share what hunting means to you. Guy might just be a dick, but maybe some progress could be made.

Slob hunters/poachers give us all a bad name.The guys who need a good drubbing aren't the uneducated folks but the danged poachers...I for one have had enuff of slob hunters'n poachers.I can only hope to be a positive example of what the term sportsman is to other folks,by inviting people to participate in outdoors activities,and turning in the poaching dirtbags...

pedro96 · #8 09-07-2012

Amazing how no one on this forum has never broke the law..Poaching for cash or any other benifit..not cool

pedro96 · #9 09-07-2012

Not poaching till you get caught..(kiddin)!!

Dan the Saskbertan · #10 09-07-2012

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Originally Posted by winger7mm

Well had a very short discussion at work today about hunters vs poachers, I say it was short because of the final comment made by a nonhunter before I had to walk away..........

......I just wanted to share this story with you since its the beginning of the season. I dont know what I want to come of this story but, something has to change this veiw some people have.

There are people out there who make politically charged statements just to cause a reaction even if they know it's not true. Sounds like this anti-hunter guy was trying to do that and you did the right thing by not taking the bait. Good man.

Dan

Pincherguy · #11 09-07-2012

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Originally Posted by winger7mm

Well had a very short discussion at work today about hunters vs poachers, I say it was short because of the final comment made by a nonhunter before I had to walk away. He had an old report a poacher mug from way back when after a few minutes he got on saying hunters are the same as poachers. That we only put tags on if we see the warden coming. Honestly is peed me off pretty bad. I told him hunters are ALOT different then f'ing poachers, huge difference. He said "nope they both have guns" I almost lost it

if I was still working the patch and had the same convo he woulda got a good smack to the head followed by a black eye

After I had calmed down a bit I realized that this man, a NON-HUNTER has this view about hunters. I cant get why he would paint us all with the same brush. I just wanted to share this story with you since its the beginning of the season. I dont know what I want to come of this story but, something has to change this veiw some people have.

While I have not been in this exact scenario, I have been in similar ones. Turn and walk away, don't give them any amunition. We will never win this battle and we never will. An idiot by any other name is still and idiot.
nuff said

clarki · #12 09-08-2012

I forget the exact topic but while we were chatting a kid I work with mentioned how it was "almost as inhumane as hunting".. well I just about lost my *****... I walked away then came back over to him and calmly pointed out how what we were talking about Was in no way comparable to hunting and I pointed out several differences to him and how, when done properly hunting is not inhumane... He saw the light after my calm and logical explanation. He quickly realized he had been talking out his azz and that he was WRONG LOL!! but to his credit he admitted that he didnt really know what goes on while hunting and didnt even know where good bullet placement was to kill an animal so some educating went a long way, he sees hunting differently now... so to the OP, maybe a quiet chat explaining and educating might help...

M

Jimboy · #13 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by winger7mm

Well had a very short discussion at work today about hunters vs poachers, I say it was short because of the final comment made by a nonhunter before I had to walk away. He had an old report a poacher mug from way back when after a few minutes he got on saying hunters are the same as poachers. That we only put tags on if we see the warden coming. Honestly is peed me off pretty bad. I told him hunters are ALOT different then f'ing poachers, huge difference. He said "nope they both have guns" I almost lost it

if I was still working the patch and had the same convo he woulda got a good smack to the head followed by a black eye

After I had calmed down a bit I realized that this man, a NON-HUNTER has this view about hunters. I cant get why he would paint us all with the same brush. I just wanted to share this story with you since its the beginning of the season. I dont know what I want to come of this story but, something has to change this veiw some people have.

Why bother , you cant change the views of non hunters and relidgious people , or Tory voters , their all brain washed by their mommys.

Dunezilla · #14 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Jimboy

Why bother , you cant change the views of non hunters and relidgious people , or Tory voters , their all brain washed by their mommys.

Obviously your mommy brain washed with hatred towards anyone who has a view point other than your own.

Dunezilla · #15 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by winger7mm

I told him hunters are A LOT different than f'ing poachers, huge difference. He said "nope they both have guns" I almost lost it

You ought to talk to him again & find out why he said what he said. He has a view point that hunters & poachers are alike so there must be a reason for him to believe this.

People have view points that we may or may not agree with just like we have view points that others won't agree with.

You might not get anywhere talking to him again but at least you would find out why he believes what he believes.

last minute · #16 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by winger7mm

Well had a very short discussion at work today about hunters vs poachers, I say it was short because of the final comment made by a nonhunter before I had to walk away. He had an old report a poacher mug from way back when after a few minutes he got on saying hunters are the same as poachers. That we only put tags on if we see the warden coming. Honestly is peed me off pretty bad. I told him hunters are ALOT different then f'ing poachers, huge difference. He said "nope they both have guns" I almost lost it

if I was still working the patch and had the same convo he woulda got a good smack to the head followed by a black eye

After I had calmed down a bit I realized that this man, a NON-HUNTER has this view about hunters. I cant get why he would paint us all with the same brush. I just wanted to share this story with you since its the beginning of the season. I dont know what I want to come of this story but, something has to change this veiw some people have.

I bet he heard you were a hunter found the mug at a thrift store and thought what the hell lets see if i could get a rise out of you ."JUST A THOUGHT" .

winger7mm · #17 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by last minute

I bet he heard you were a hunter found the mug at a thrift store and thought what the hell lets see if i could get a rise out of you ."JUST A THOUGHT" .

haha no the story he gave about the mug was his kid was a junior ranger why back when and then due to that they acquired half a dozen of these mugs. Its no secret im a hunter at work

im already getting asked if I have any jerky made yet

Ormachek · #18 09-08-2012

edit: someone beat me to it!

KegRiver · #19 09-08-2012

That sort of thing doesn't surprise me in the least.

Poachers are very clever at masquerading as legitimate hunters.

If you have ever confronted a poacher you would know full well that the first thing they do is proclaim very loudly how they are not breaking the law.
Far too many people back off or avoid such confrontations. At times I do as well.

Even here we hear about how we must not RAT on a friend, or how we have no right to say anything because, maybe, many years ago, we broke a law or two. Or any of a number of other tactics designed to make us keep silent about illegal activity. And it works because so few stand with a person under such attacks.
I see it every day in these threads.

Until we who hunt legally stop tolerating illegal activity, we will be tarnished by the stench of poaching.

joshcat · #20 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by hunter1993ap

you handled it right even though the guy probably deserved a black eye. i dont know if i would have had the same self control you showed. you have to respect nature and poachers have no respect, similar to the disrespect this guy showd you.

Ya know he is entitled to his opinion, even though it's completely unfounded and retarded, but alas it is his opinion. education is the only way to win this war,

KegRiver · #21 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by joshcat

Ya know he is entitled to his opinion, even though it's completely unfounded and retarded, but alas it is his opinion. education is the only way to win this war,

You are absolutely right. Physical confrontation only makes matters worse.

Then, not only are we seen as poachers, but as bullies as well.

Besides, what is there to be defensive about. I'm not a poacher and I know it. I can't control what others think, but I can influence what they think.

So the question for me is, do I want to influence them to think worse of me, or better.
Do I demonstrate that I respect their opinion while disagreeing, or do I demonstrate that I have no respect for them, and no respect for the law?
Assault is against the law.

Cal · #22 09-08-2012

Yep, we've had an image problem for a very long time. Talking to non hunters its shocking what they think we do. To many non hunters poaching and hunting is the same thing in that they are not educated enough to understand the difference.

I'd like to add to what Keg River said in that often on this board slob hunting practices are excused with the remark "its legal so I'll do it and nobody can stop me". Road hunting in buisy oilfields for example makes us plenty of enemys, even more so when a bunch of batteries and parts get "borrowed" off the pumpjack drivers. It always blows my mind when I'm in a field thats so buisy I can hardly call my milage over the radio without getting cut off and theres a bunch of goofs trying to road hunt.

torch919 · #23 09-08-2012

My dad always says (and I have found it to be vey true) "never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience". Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Bushrat · #24 09-08-2012

To the anti hunters it dosen't matter if we do it legally and ethically or not. To them we are all the same, just out murdering animals for ****s and giggles. In their minds we are all sick in the head and placed on the same level as child molesters. They don't want to hear arguments or listen to reason. Their minds are made up and thats all there is to it.

ishootbambi · #25 09-08-2012

some pretty good points made already. i treat each situation for what it is. some people just dont know any better and are willing to talk. others plug their ears and wail. i have no time for sphincters in my life, so when i can see its pointless i just carry on with my day.

stokcondave · #26 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by ishootbambi

some pretty good points made already. i treat each situation for what it is. some people just dont know any better and are willing to talk. others plug their ears and wail. i have no time for sphincters in my life, so when i can see its pointless i just carry on with my day.

I agree with ishoot except for one thing, sphincters are smart they can tell the difference between a liquid, solid and a gas. This other guy not so sure.

Arguing with ignorance is aggravating, I usually have fun with it. Tell him you had a report a poacher mug just like that, that you took to a second hand store. Then tell him you kept scent glands in it. He won't know what your talking about. Better then hitting him.

duffy4 · #27 09-08-2012

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Originally Posted by Jimboy

Why bother , you cant change the views of non hunters and relidgious people , or Tory voters , their all brain washed by their mommys.

With friends like these, hunters don't need any more enemies.

antlercarver · #28 09-09-2012

Most poachers big and small ones camouflage themselves as hunters. There may even be some here, as they all look and write the same way.